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A question concerning gluttony

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by jsn9333, Feb 13, 2008.

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  1. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

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    The rarest species on earth is a thin Baptist preacher.
     
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  2. rbell

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    Wow. You're the poster child for Matthew 7:1-2

    Amazing...someone will use a scale to determine salvation.

    That's a shame.







    Now....having addressed that out of line post....an encouraging word: You guys that struggle with your weight can lose it! At my heaviest, I got up to 235 pounds. I'm now at 160. Keep trying!

    For me, it was portion control, and giving up (for good) sweet tea and cokes.
     
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    According to my dictionary the word "gluttony" is defined as follows:

    eating to excess (personified as one of the deadly sins)

    The seven deadly sins are:

    Lust
    Gluttony
    Greed
    Sloth
    Wrath
    Envy
    Pride

    The seven virtues are:
    Chasity
    Temperance
    Charity
    Diligence
    Forgiveness
    Kindness
    Humility
     
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  4. Amy.G

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    Oh my.

    I would say that over eating may have been one of those "sinful habits" that he had not matured out of.

    Where is it said by the time we leave this world we will have achieved perfection?
     
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  5. Amy.G

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    What is the sin of "warth"? :laugh:

    Just kidding with you. I know you meant wrath, but language cop wasn't around, so I stepped in to help out. :D
     
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    Warth...wasn't he the Klingon dude in "Star trek?"
     
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  7. Amy.G

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    I think it was in Star Wars when they went really fast through space.

    They went at "warth" speed.

    Or maybe that was "warp". Oh well. :laugh:
     
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    No, I've set this thread up to find out if anyone knows whether Falwell every preached on the subject of gluttony.

    And gluttony can't be a greater sin then drinking a glass of wine... b/c drinking a glass of wine is not a sin! As far as gluttony versus being a drunkard, who knows? I'm not trying to compare one sin to another.

    My purpose isn't to flame heavy set people either. Would you rather everyone just be silent about the topic of gluttony while the Church eats itself to death in America and makes a mockery of Christ to the world? I personally would rather discuss the topic like an adult and have debates/conversations about it. You should not take things so personally.

     
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    I have no idea where it is said by the time we leave this world we will have achieved perfection. Who said that?

     
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  10. Amy.G

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    You implied it when you said this:

     
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    I'm entitled to my opinion, friend. I've not made any final judgment about anyone. But the fact is, the Scriptures teach that even though we are not saved by works, true faith is evidenced by works.

    If someone claims to be a Christian but every day gets up, drinks a 5th of vodka, visits 3 prostitutes, and kills 2 men... I would doubt the validity his faith. I'm entitled to that opinion.

    If he didn't know any of those things were sinful b/c no one ever taught him that and he couldn't read, or even if he just misunderstood the bible honestly... that would help his case in my mind. But again, God is the ultimate Judge, not you and not me.

    Now if someone slips up once in a while, that is what forgiveness is for. But the Christian life is one characterized by growth away from sin... not perfection, but certainly growth. (and I don't mean growth of the waistline from overeating)
     
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  12. jsn9333

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    No, I specifically mentioned "growth" which is very different then "perfection". See the post at the top of this page if you're still not understanding the concepts I was referring to.
     
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    I'm not comparing an overweight person to stealing. I'm saying I'd rather have a pastor who knows it when he sins then one who doesn't. Besides, I was just responding to some else. It was abcgrad94 who first said, "I'd rather have a fat pastor and know his weakness and pray for him, than have an outwardly perfect one who is full of pride inside or addicted to porn. They're both sin, you know." I just didn't want to repeat the "porn" analogy b/c this forum forbids discussions of sexuality.

    I think it is wise to question the honesty of anyone who claims to be a Christian yet sins outright and repeatedly. That isn't to say you should make a final judgment on them. But the fact is, Christians should be marked by the fruit of the Spirit. They should stand out.

    I don't doubt Falwell was a Christian. I'm just saying if he knew he was committing gluttony by eating himself to death I probably would doubt his faith. But all the evidence I've seen shows he was ignorant of the fact that he was sinning all those years... up until the very end. . I think God takes that into account. The man likely had a pure heart; and I don't doubt that he probably would have taken steps to stop his addiction if God had made it clear to him that he was sinning. But sadly, he seems to have honestly talked himself out of responsibility before God for gluttony

    Well... no one is perfect, that is for sure. Only Christ. At least we can all agree on that.

     
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    And now I am not an adult. Your good jsn9333 your very good but you do need to work on your debating skills. I do not see gluttony the same as you do. It is not a sin to set down to a good meal. It is a sin to hoard it. That is gluttony. At least as I see it. You see it differently. Therefore it is Christ who will judge and these petty arguments that we get ourselves into is what is bringing mockery to the Church.
    As far as worrying about the worlds mockery of Christ, the world will always find a way to mock Him. It will not only mock a heavy set preacher, it will mock the house he lives in, the car he drives, the Bible he totes, the accent he uses, the homes he visits and anything else he tries to do for Christ. Who's worried that the world is mocking us? You? I'm certainly not.
     
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    Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us, "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags."

    Proverbs 28:7 declares, "He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father."

    Proverbs 23:2 proclaims, "put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony."
     
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    I agree. I'm more concerned with what God thinks instead of what the world thinks.

    Just my opinion, but I think if we all just focus on our OWN shortcomings and trust the Lord to convict other people of theirs, we'd be better off. I'm not saying we should ignore sin, but it's our job to love each other and it's the Holy Spirit's job to convict. So far the Holy Spirit hasn't asked us to help him do his job.
     
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    Would you say then that this man was a "Christian"?
    Matthew 11:19
    19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

    Wisdom says you shouldn't judge. I do not think that Jesus was 400 lbs but yet the Pharisee pointed at Him and said look at that drunken glutton.

    Get a grip jsn9333 and know that it is God who is the judge and discerner of the heart of man.

    May He be praised for seeing my heart and not my flesh.
     
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    Instead, you're comparing him to a fornicating, alcoholic murderer:


    that's way different. :rolleyes:
     
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    :applause: Bravo. That's the best line I've seen in this thread so far!

    Also, let's remember that there are many fruits of the Spirit. Some of us are showing, say, love and peace, but are still working on the gentleness or self control. Maybe others have self control, but need to add some more love and meekness. Don't question someone's spirituality simply because you have mastered self control over food and they haven't.
     
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    the more I read this, I am reminded of the Uncle Remus story with br'er rebbit and the tar baby. The more br'er rabbit hit the more stuck he got. Sometimes, you just gotta allow tar babies to go unpunched... :tonofbricks:
     
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