A question concerning gluttony

[donnA]

I meant that to be my final post in this thread, but I'll try to answer the questions you asked me.

I never said everyone who is obese has a heart attack, or the converse. I'm not sure what to tell you except perhaps you should read what I've said again.

And I haven't seen any anger displayed in this thread. Perhaps you confuse disagreement and debate as anger. I've stated an opinion about gluttony being a common and serious problem in the church, folks have called me self-righteous and judgmental, and I've responded to that by pointing out the irony (or perhaps hypocrisy) of "judging" someone as "judgmental" (to use the word judge in the incorrect way it was used above).

These seem like fairly standard things that occur in debate and discussion concerning a topic which people are sensitive and have often strong feelings about. I don't sense this "anger" you ask about though... sorry!

Anyway, I will say again, may we all be offended at the things that offend Christ, and encourage each other toward good works... even if it means offending each other at some points along the way! Thanks be to God for forgiveness and strength through Jesus!

- "Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses." (Proverbs 27)

You said Jerry Falwell ate himself into a heart attack, and he was obese. I was addressing what you said, maybe you forogt and need to reread your posts.
Debate is not insulting people, theres a difference.

 

[Amy.G]

Anyone who continues in this silly discussion is in my opinion a.....


GLUTTON for punishment! :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Hopeful]

Anyone who continues in this silly discussion is in my opinion a.....


GLUTTON for punishment! :laugh: :laugh:

Well, hmph!!! I had SO much to say on this subject, but now I'll just have to EAT MY WORDS!!!

:laugh: :wavey:

 

[Amy.G]

Well, hmph!!! I had SO much to say on this subject, but now I'll just have to EAT MY WORDS!!!

:laugh: :wavey:

Just don't eat too many or make sure they're low fat and low calorie or else you'll be called.....a you know what!

 

[tinytim]

There is a website my previous pastor told me about, and I went fo it in November. You type in all kinds of information about yourself, and I tracked myself for a week, and that was about my average...

I can't remember the name of it now, but I will email my prev. pastor and get if for you all...

ok, ok, LISTEN up everyone...

HERE is the website you all have been waiting for!!!

I hope it helps us, (the fat ones... and you know who you are, lol) lose weight.. we may not be gluttons, but I am certainly tired of fat!!!

So, here it is... http://fitday.com/

 

[Hopeful]

Thank you, TT.
But HOW did you know I needed it????

:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Hopeful]

ok, ok, LISTEN up everyone...

HERE is the website you all have been waiting for!!!

I hope it helps us, (the fat ones... and you know who you are, lol) lose weight.. we may not be gluttons, but I am certainly tired of fat!!!

So, here it is... http://fitday.com/

hmmm....seriously, though....I have been (recently) using the Prevention magazine "fitday" website--and it has very similar stuff--I wonder if what I've been using is like their version of the basic FITDAY thing?? Don't know, but I have enjoyed using Prevention's version quite a bit. I've also been with Weight Watchers for awhile, and use their website, which is (obviously) more program-specific.

Thanks for the link. I personally (and, UH-OH, Amy--I'll end up eating some words, won't I?? LOL) think that America's-in-general biggest problem with obesity is a two-fold thing--
1) We have been IGNORANT for a long time of just what is in our food--not really thinking about what we're eating, and
2) We have chosen convenience and ease at the expense of nutrition and health.

I also personally don't believe that either of these things falls under the heading of "gluttony", but rather having to make difficult choices in the course of our days and trying to accomplish everything on our "to-do-lists". Time has been a big factor in my food choices for many years....may not be the WISEST way to go--but certainly no sin there, IMO.

Now that I'm working with better information, and (unfortunately, due to the death of my hubby) have more time on my hands, I'm trying to make those wiser choices. But MY ability to do this now is certainly NOT how anyone else would ever want to be able to do it! All I know is that I've always thanked God for ALL my food--and now I'm learning to thank Him for helping me to shed these extra pounds.
:godisgood:

 

[jsn9333]

You said Jerry Falwell ate himself into a heart attack, and he was obese. I was addressing what you said, maybe you forogt and need to reread your posts.
Debate is not insulting people, theres a difference.

Ah, I see. Let me clarify. Obesity has an extremely strong statistical correlation to heart attacks and heart disease. Obese people have rates of heart disease many times higher then the average population.

Jerry Falwell wasn't just a little overweight. The man weighed around about 400lbs. He was a heart attack waiting to happen. Years of gluttony will do that to a man. Is it remotely possible that something else was the main cause of his obesity and/or his heart condition (genetic problems, hormonal imbalance, etc.)? Yes. I have already stated that earlier in the thread and I didn't assume you had ignored those posts. My apologies for not being more clear. Then again, it is also remotely possible I'll get struck by lightning on my way into work today or get eaten by a shark the next time I go surfing.

I haven't seen any insults exchanged in this thread either. After I stated an opinion about gluttony being a common and serious problem in the church, folks have called me self-righteous and judgmental. I suppose you could call that an insult, but I didn't take it that way. That is their analysis of the morality of my comments. I tried not to take it too personally. I appreciate anyone who attempts to help me become more like Christ, but I disagreed with their analysis; and I've responded by pointing out the irony (or perhaps hypocrisy) of "judging" someone as "judgmental" (to use the word judge in the incorrect way it was used above). I don't think that response was an insult either, at least it was not intended to be. So I agree with you, "debate is not insulting people, theres a difference." Sometimes people get confused if the debate is over a very sensitive issue.

 

[Crabtownboy]

JSN, when a person points out the wrong in a very popular and tolerate sin toes get stepped on and people get testy. Gluttony is American most popular and tolerated sin.:tonofbricks:

 

[TC]

No, I think pride and self-sufficiency are American's favorite sins. The fact that so many people are on diets at any given time prove that many people struggle with gluttony and are not happy with it. It is true that there are many factors that go into obesity. I walk 1 to 4 hours a day besides working on my feet - I do not get to sit down at all on my job. I also ride an exercise bike, a Nordic Track cross country ski trainer, and do 8-10 rounds (with a timer) on a heavy bag 3-4 days a week. I am still fat even with all the exercise and eating less junk than I used to. I do have a lot more energy now, so maybe that will change in time.

 

[Joe]

"Yes, I grow marijuana (small amounts for personal use) and use it moderately (not daily and not heavily) because it aids in my creativity as I invent things and write/play worship music. I am a patent agent and inventor, and I am a musician and singer. I do lead worship in my church."

This is a quote by the originator of this thread.

It is found in a thread he started called the Bible and Home Remedies. It was later removed from the public forums but still accessable through his posting history.

Btw, he lives in a State where cannabis is illegal.

 

[TC]

Yes, a skinny person can be sinning by defiling their temple (body) through not consuming enough food. This can happen even when a person is exercising and eating right. Most of my bike rider friends are thin, and have problems with bone mass, something you hardly find in an overweight person. I also have this problem.

Romans 3:23 All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

This applies to us all. :1_grouphug:

Try to add some load-bearing exercise to your routine. Most runners are every bit as thin as cyclists, but don't have the lack of bone density. You could add a couple of runs a week. Weight lifting also helps increase bone density.

 

[donnA]

"Yes, I grow marijuana (small amounts for personal use) and use it moderately (not daily and not heavily) because it aids in my creativity as I invent things and write/play worship music. I am a patent agent and inventor, and I am a musician and singer. I do lead worship in my church."

This is a quote by the originator of this thread.

It is found in a thread he started called the Bible and Home Remedies. It was later removed from the public forums but still accessable through his posting history.

Btw, he lives in a State where cannabis is illegal.

Then the OP is a hypocrite, plain and simple.
We've seen people argue for marijuana use for medical reasons on here before, but I think this is the first "I do it because I want too" we've had. This op has nothing to say about anyone, ever, as long as he is growing and using marijuana.

 

[donnA]

Jerry Falwell wasn't just a little overweight. The man weighed around about 400lbs.

And you ahve a link for this I am sure.

. Years of gluttony will do that to a man.

And what does years of marijuana use do to your body?

Then again, it is also remotely possible I'll get struck by lightning on my way into work today or get eaten by a shark the next time I go surfing.

Or you could cotinue to kill your brain cells from marijuana use.

After I stated an opinion about gluttony being a common and serious problem in the church, folks have called me self-righteous and judgmental. .

Yeah, thats about right, selfrighteous, judgemental, pot smoker, drugs are a real problem in the church too if you hadn't noticed.
Clean up your act before you ever say anything about someone else.

 

[donnA]

JSN, when a person points out the wrong in a very popular and tolerate sin toes get stepped on and people get testy. Gluttony is American most popular and tolerated sin.:tonofbricks:

and smoking pot isn't?

 

[Joe]

Try to add some load-bearing exercise to your routine. Most runners are every bit as thin as cyclists, but don't have the lack of bone density. You could add a couple of runs a week. Weight lifting also helps increase bone density.

That's a GREAT idea. I do some weight lifting already, and used to run a little. There are backwards sit ups I do on a medicine ball, and other exercises.

My bones are pretty good, it's just my lower back. I kept breaking bones, yet I was in Karate at the time, and bike riding.
But it always seemed to happen when it shouldn't have.
I had a bone density test done at the Hopsital which showed osteopenia in a portion of my back (which felt strained) I started exercise with a medicine ball, and drank alot of raw milk. Took viactiv. Changed my diet, and ate more food in general. Doctor was surprised at the results a year later. He thought I was too old to grow new bone mass, they say you can do that up to about age 30. I was 34. It's not as strong as it should be.

 

[jsn9333]

First of all, I do enjoy the plant cannabis-sativa when spend my summers and mid-semester breaks in California, where I work as an associate with a law firm. Cannabis is not illegal there when used with a doctor's permission for anything from minor muscle aches, to arthritis, to leukemia depending on the doctor prescribing. In fact, I am allowed by state license to grow it for medical patients, many of whom do not have the strength to grow it themselves.

God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." (Gen. 1)

It just so happens when I eat a little bit of the sead-bearing plant cannabis, it aids in my creativity and has beneficial health effects in addition to the nutritional effects. There will always be those that order their brothers and sisters to abstain from seed-bearing herbs that God made for food.

"Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving," (1 Tim. 4)

Just like it should have seemed obvious to Christians that someone who is most likely is a massively over-eating, extremely obese glutton should not be the mouthpiece of the religious right (Falwell), so it should be plainly obvious to the Christian world that there is something wrong with either a church or an entire nation trying to eradicate (meaning wipe out of existence) a plant that God himself made and said was good. Jesus Christ literally created the plant cannabis. If Jesus were alive in 49 out of 50 states in the U.S.A. He would be arrested on "cultivation" charges.

The fact is, many Christians are themselves over-eaters, or gluttons. Therefore they will never admonish another glutton or ask him to get help before becoming a pastor. When it comes down to it, they just don't believe what the Bible says about gluttony. Also, many Christians are themselves, "hypocritical liars whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron." Instead of believing what God himself said about seed-bearing plants when he made them, they believe their government (the same one that says abortion is okay).

So some people abuse the plant... some people abuse all foods. Fried chicken abuse has killed hundreds of thousands of people from heart attack. Never has one death been linked to marijuana. It is even less dangerous (much less dangerous) then red wine or any other alcoholic beverage. It is even less dangerous then Tylenol. Take 12 of those and it'll be the last headache you ever have, yet a 13 year year old can walk into a store and buy 50 of them! It is physically impossible to overdose on cannabis.

Cannabis, if used in moderation, it has virtually no ill-effects... except for the *very* bad effects it has on the pockets of the drug companies who would rather charge you for pain relief instead of have you grow it for free in your back yard. If abused, like anything, it can turn into something bad. But this is a God-made, naturally occurring plant. Like alcohol, it occurs naturally (grapes ferment naturally in the right conditions). In fact, it occurs naturally many times more often then alcohol does. And there is no "manufacturing" that goes into eating marijuana other then picking its seed-bearing fruit off the branch and maybe cooking it in a little vegetable oil. Sure, smoking anything is bad for your teeth and lungs... but it is possible to eat cannabis or to vaporize it (so it doesn't actually burn, and no tar is expelled). The U.S. government does not allow experiments on cannabis that actually control for outside variables, so any data you'll see showing harmful mental effects either don't control for the abuse of other substances or don't control for abuse period (daily users, multiple times a day, consuming extreme quantities). To put on par with alcohol, imagine a study saying alcohol causes liver disease and should be totally abstained from, but it doesn't mention that the participants drank on average a quart of vodka daily!

My act is quite "clean" thank you. Eating or vaporizing marijuana kills no brain cells either. In fact, when you drive your car to work everyday and inhale the CO2 from other cars you kill more brain cells then when I enjoy a glass of wine under doctor's recommendation. Heck, when you get up in the morning you "kill" brain cells. When I analyzed the likelihood of gluttony in one of the most visible mouthpieces of the Christian Right, I used biblical references and medical facts. At least have your facts right when you analyze my behavior... and maybe mention a Bible verse or two. After all, this is a Christian forum.

If you want any more information about my stands on cannabis see the original thread. Just as gluttony was beat to death here, cannabis use was beat to death there. I don't "smoke" pot by the way, as you have accused me of doing. I eat it or vaporize it in a state in which such activities are legal and regulated by medical authorities.

God bless,
Jason

And you ahve a link for this I am sure.


And what does years of marijuana use do to your body?


Or you could cotinue to kill your brain cells from marijuana use.


Yeah, thats about right, selfrighteous, judgemental, pot smoker, drugs are a real problem in the church too if you hadn't noticed.
Clean up your act before you ever say anything about someone else.

 

[tinytim]

Well, we now know why this thread was started.

 

[Aaron]

It just so happens when I eat a little bit of the sead-bearing plant cannabis, it aids in my creativity . . . .

No doubt. Your last post is some of the best creative writing I've seen to date!

 

[Brother Bob]

What is gluttoneous??? or glutton?

In the original Hebrew or Greek??

Why did our mother's always tell us to "clean up" our plate and not be "wasteful".

Is that not what gluttony is, being wasteful?

BBob,