Featured A question for Cavinist

Genesis 1 is prophecy of a history of past. Whether literal or metaphor.

 

Hi bro
Why would he mention the five previous heads? He mentions the sixth, so he says five have already fallen, one is, and one is yet to come. That was future when Revelation was written. He was to continue for a short time tiĺ he wa taken out of the way. Future again. The eighth, who is the geast that was, and is not and yet is was another type of emperor, even further in the future.

Our previous pastor said the five fallen were the Egyptians, Assyrians , Babylonians, Persians and Greeks. But the Revelation has to fit into the 4th empire prophecies in Daniel 2 and Daniel 7.

Daniel 8 adds extra detail to the 2nd and 3rd empires, Daniel 7 already added to all the kingdoms in Daniel 2.

Daniel 11 adds even more detail to the 3rd kingdom.

The gospels and other new testament books introduce us to the 4th kingdom, and Revelation fills in the rest of history of that, the Roman Empire.

The five that are fallen, five different forms of Roman government, just as the last 3 are. Kings, Republics, Democracy, Triumvirates, Dictators, the one that was, Emperors and to one to come, Christian Emperors.

 

Bro, your certainty and assuredness in your speculations make you sound a lot more like a Dispensationalist than a Historicist.

 

I hope not. Actually I was brought up in the Brethren and although throughout history they are sometimes described as Calvinist I never heard any Calvinist teaching there.

They are some of the early dispensationalists and thay did teach that. During and just after the war we went to the Brethren till as they were thr only ones who preached the gospel in the area. My dad had doubts about their dispensational teaching and told me that he went to a meeting where the speaker was comment on the 200,000, 000 horsemen, which he said were literal horses not cars or tanks. Dad said how can that be, as when you have cavalry, you have to have 10 times or more backup, infantry, cooks, suppliers of food ammunition etc.

When Xerxes attacked Greece, Herodotus said his armies drank every river dry. And he had an army of 2 million or more.

Anyway the preacher said I'll answer that later. When he went on to something else my dad said "you haven't answered my question yet." "I' answer it later." As the man closed the meeting my dad again said "You didn't answer my question." He replied rather sheepishly "It must be symbolic."

 

Dispensationalism a calvinistic doctrine. I suppose so in a way. Edward Irving was a minister of the church of Scotland, a Presbyterian church. He introduced tongues and prophecy into his church in London, and but he was excommunicated from the CoS for heresy due to his views an the nature of Christ. One of his ex members said his worst error was that he believed that believers had actual righteousness rather than imputed righteousness. He got his futurist views from a book by "Juan Josephat Ben Ezra, a converted Jew," fake name of Manuel Lacunza, a Jesuit. So it can hardly be said that it is a Calvinist teaching.

From Irving, dispensationalism was continued by John Nelson Darby, a minister of the Irish church (I believe) he took over the emerging Brethren movement, which seemed to start in Ireland and moved to Oxford England. Many members in Oxford were refused ordination due to their Evangelical (Calvinistic views) although dissolute young men were ordained. One or two became Baptists. Including George Muller after a brief spell in the Brethren.

Darby seemed to be an extreme Calvinist. But I think that may have been a front.

Another in Oxford at that time was John Henry Newman who founded the Oxford movement which became Anglo Catholicism. Newman eventually joined the church of Rome and became a Cardinal.

 

The Church of England was Lutheran rather than Calvinist. Now it seems to be mainly nothing, apart from a few.

The following was on the GbNews channel last Saturday evening 7.00pm.

I have never heard anything like this on a news channel before. Calvin was refused ordination because of his traditional views. But he was ordained in The Free Church of Endland.