A Question regarding KJVO

[JD731]

it's easy to see that God either commanded some men to write down His words, or He inspired others to write down what He wanted written down by men. And they wrote in their own languages.

As for inspiration of translations...there's no indication God inspired one translation in any language over all others. That's someone's pipe dream.

You have no bible for your position on the Holy Scriptures. But, you are right that it does not require the presence of the scriptures for sinners to be saved. It does take a witness and that, sir, can be easily proven by the scriptures to the person who will believe the words of the scriptures. Bibles are for saved people.

 

[Logos1560]

You have no bible for your position on the Holy Scriptures.

He has more scripture supporting his position on Bible translations than you have.

The verses to which you may appeal do not refer to Bible translations. For one example, 2 Timothy 3:16 makes no mention of the process of translating. As 2 Timothy 3:16 is translated in the KJV, it clearly asserts that the process of the giving of the Scriptures to the prophets and apostles was by inspiration, but it does not at all suggest that the process of the later making of a Bible translation is by inspiration. You read into verses your own personal KJV-only opinions that are not stated nor taught in them. You try to add to scripture opinions of men.

 

[robycop3]

You have no bible for your position on the Holy Scriptures. But, you are right that it does not require the presence of the scriptures for sinners to be saved. It does take a witness and that, sir, can be easily proven by the scriptures to the person who will believe the words of the scriptures. Bibles are for saved people.

Romans 10:17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the word of God.
That takes a Bible, or someone quoting from one.

 

[robycop3]

I consider myself a KJV preferred person. I own several KJV Bible's an ESV and an NIV. I preach and teach exclusively from the KJV, yet am not KJVO. My question pertains to languages other than English. More and more Spanish speakers are moving into my home town. If KJV is the only inspired word of God, what should non English speaking people use?

I'm not trying to be rude, just truly interested in learning your thoughts.

The KJV is certainly NOT the ONLY inspired word of God. Given its goofs & booboos, one must wonder just-how-inspired it is.
And in any case, a translation of a translation will always be inferior to a direct translation of the sources for all translations.

 

[37818]

Given its goofs & booboos, one must wonder just-how-inspired it is.

Every English translation of the word of God has goofs and booboos!

 

[robycop3]

Every English translation of the word of God has goofs and booboos!

RIGHT! Same for those in other languages, but God has conveyed His intended messages in all valid ones.

 

[robycop3]

KJVOs, show me where I hold a false doctrine solely from using other English Bible versions & not the KJV.

And show me where it can only be corrected by the KJV.

 

[JD731]

Romans 10:17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the word of God.
That takes a Bible, or someone quoting from one.

That is not true.

 

[37818]

That is not true.

Please specifically explain simply what was not true.

 

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[JD731]

He has more scripture supporting his position on Bible translations than you have.

The verses to which you may appeal do not refer to Bible translations. For one example, 2 Timothy 3:16 makes no mention of the process of translating. As 2 Timothy 3:16 is translated in the KJV, it clearly asserts that the process of the giving of the Scriptures to the prophets and apostles was by inspiration, but it does not at all suggest that the process of the later making of a Bible translation is by inspiration. You read into verses your own personal KJV-only opinions that are not stated nor taught in them. You try to add to scripture opinions of men.

You are stating your opinion and when you accuse me of trying to add to the scriptures the opinions of men, you should qualify that statement because someone might believe it is actually true. I cannot remember ever quoting someone in defense of my own personal belief in the word of God. I did not begin studying the scriptures yesterday. My views about God and his word and his ways have been developed over a number of years of personal study and meditation in the words themself. You, OTOH, have done nothing but mined quotes from others (some rank and known heretics) who agrees with you to support your own theories while refusing to present your own doctrine from the scriptures themselves, showing from them how you arrived at them..

No one will stand for me at the judgement seat of Christ and account for what I have told others about the glorious, wonderful, and magnificent word of God. I will give an account of myself, and you will be judged at one of God's judgements for what you teach as well.

The 11th wonder of the world for me is to read for all these years that salvation from God is based entirely upon believing his words and you and one other man on this forum claims that God raised you up particularly as his spokesmen to condemn people who believes it.

 

[Logos1560]

You are stating your opinion and when you accuse me of trying to add to the scriptures the opinions of men, you should qualify that statement because someone might believe it is actually true.

According to your own posts, I see you as adding your own personal opinions to the Scriptures or reading your opinions into verses that do not state what you try to claim or conclude. You have not proven your KJV-only opinions to be taught in the Scriptures. You do not have to quote another person to be following the opinions of men since the opinions of men would also include your own personal opinions. You do not demonstrate that you are condemned for believing what God actually stated. God has not stated nor commanded your non-scriptural KJV-only opinions.

 

[Logos1560]

You, OTOH, have done nothing but mined quotes from others (some rank and known heretics) who agrees with you to support your own theories while refusing to present your own doctrine from the scriptures themselves, showing from them how you arrived at them..

Your opinion is incorrect. I have presented my doctrine from the Scriptures themselves in more than one thread. My teaching from the Scriptures cannot all be repeated in one post since it would take many posts to present it. You choose not to discuss nor answer the sound scripturally-based points that I have presented along with the scripture references that support them.

You fail to define your terms "rank and known heretics", and you do not demonstrate that you apply your term of accusation soundly and justly. Would you apply your term to the doctrinally-unsound Church of England makers of the KJV or to the makers of the 1582 Roman Catholic Rheims New Testament from which the KJV borrowed many renderings?

Instead of answering or refuting the points that I have presented, do you try to use the guilt-by-association fallacy with your broad-sweeping unproven allegations?

 

[JD731]

That is not true.

37818
Please specifically explain simply what was not true.

Certainly. The "bible" is a reference to the scriptures. The scriptures are the written word of God. The scriptures were not written when gentiles began to be saved and no scriptures were quoted to them. The first epistle of the NT was written in 45 AD and was addressed, not to gentiles, but to the 12 tribes of Israel. The first epistle addressed to gentiles was Galatians, and it was written to correct a bunch of false Christian Jews from bringing the OT scriptures to bear upon the Christian church demanding they keep the law written in it if they were to be saved.

Christians preach a person, the Lord Jesus Christ, to the unsaved world. If the preacher has a testimony of being saved himself, and is sure of it, it is because the Spirit of God has borne witness of it in his heart. He can tell others what happened to him when this person saved him in his own words and because it is so life changing he can persuade others, even without a written testimony present. God honors faith in the person of Jesus Christ. The deep things of God is a revelation and is for saved people only. Knowing these things requires the scriptures. The natural man would have no more success understanding the truths that are revealed there than a man of my stature would have reading Koine Greek.

God reveals his deep things to his children in his own words. For us English children, those words are the KJV bible. We have 1500 years of a written bible, the OT scriptures, that proves the natural man cannot understand the simplest things of God although the words are not hard to understand. All OT men were natural men and none of them understood the written scriptures that told about Jesus Christ, and his going to the cross was not understood by his own disciples even though the prophesy was in those same scriptures. The people to whom they were written and who wrote them rejected him and put him to death.

Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[JD731]

Your opinion is incorrect. I have presented my doctrine from the Scriptures themselves in more than one thread. My teaching from the Scriptures cannot all be repeated in one post since it would take many posts to present it. You choose not to discuss nor answer the sound scripturally-based points that I have presented along with the scripture references that support them.

You fail to define your terms "rank and known heretics", and you do not demonstrate that you apply your term of accusation soundly and justly. Would you apply your term to the doctrinally-unsound Church of England makers of the KJV or to the makers of the 1582 Roman Catholic Rheims New Testament from which the KJV borrowed many renderings?

Instead of answering or refuting the points that I have presented, do you try to use the guilt-by-association fallacy with your broad-sweeping unproven allegations?

No you have not presented your teaching from the scriptures. The closest you have ever come is to state a premise, many times an opinion of yours, and then string a bunch of scripture references together. That is not the way to teach the scriptures or to even prove your point. You have for the most part refused to quote God. That is just a fact.

You have never exalted the wonderful word of God or sounded it out.

1Th 1:8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.

2Th 3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have [free] course, and be glorified, even as [it is] with you:

The only message you have for us is that most of us have no word from God we can read and believe is from him.

 

[37818]

Romans 10:17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the word of God.
That takes a Bible, or someone quoting from one.

That is not true.

Please specifically explain simply what was not true.

Certainly. The "bible" is a reference to the scriptures. The scriptures are the written word of God. The scriptures were not written when gentiles began to be saved and no scriptures were quoted to them. The first epistle of the NT was written in 45 AD and was addressed, not to gentiles, but to the 12 tribes of Israel. The first epistle addressed to gentiles was Galatians, and it was written to correct a bunch of false Christian Jews from bringing the OT scriptures to bear upon the Christian church demanding they keep the law written in it if they were to be saved.

Christians preach a person, the Lord Jesus Christ, to the unsaved world. If the preacher has a testimony of being saved himself, and is sure of it, it is because the Spirit of God has borne witness of it in his heart. He can tell others what happened to him when this person saved him in his own words and because it is so life changing he can persuade others, even without a written testimony present. God honors faith in the person of Jesus Christ. The deep things of God is a revelation and is for saved people only. Knowing these things requires the scriptures. The natural man would have no more success understanding the truths that are revealed there than a man of my stature would have reading Koine Greek.

God reveals his deep things to his children in his own words. For us English children, those words are the KJV bible. We have 1500 years of a written bible, the OT scriptures, that proves the natural man cannot understand the simplest things of God although the words are not hard to understand. All OT men were natural men and none of them understood the written scriptures that told about Jesus Christ, and his going to the cross was not understood by his own disciples even though the prophesy was in those same scriptures. The people to whom they were written and who wrote them rejected him and put him to death.

Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

You do not know how to answer simply, do you?

 

[JD731]

You do not know how to answer simply, do you?

Do you want a sound bite that proves nothing? Okay.

No, salvation does not require that a bible is present or the preacher must be quoting from one.

How is that?

 

[Logos1560]

The only message you have for us is that most of us have no word from God we can read and believe is from him.

Your allegation is not true. Because Bible believers disagree with your non-scriptural KJV-only opinions does not at all mean what you claim. You may choose to believe assertions concerning the KJV that are not true, but your blind belief in your own opinions does not make them true.

The Scriptures do not teach that the word of God is bound to the textual criticism decisions, Bible revision/correction decisions, and translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England priests in 1611. Their translating is not superior to the preserved original-language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles.

The truth remains that the KJV is a translation in the same way or in the same sense that the pre-1611 English Bibles are translations. The Scriptures do not say that any of those English translations were directly given by inspiration of God. The Church of England makers of the KJV are not prophets and apostles to whom the words proceeded from the mouth of God by inspiration. The Scriptures do not teach that the many words added by the KJV translators are given by inspiration of God. The KJV can be believed to be the word of God translated into English in the same way that the pre-1611 English Bibles are the word of God translated into English and in the same way that post-1611 English Bibles such as the NKJV are the word of God translated into English.

 

[JD731]

Your allegation is not true. Because Bible believers disagree with your non-scriptural KJV-only opinions does not at all mean what you claim. You may choose to believe assertions concerning the KJV that are not true, but your blind belief in your own opinions does not make them true.

The Scriptures do not teach that the word of God is bound to the textual criticism decisions, Bible revision/correction decisions, and translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England priests in 1611. Their translating is not superior to the preserved original-language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles.

The truth remains that the KJV is a translation in the same way or in the same sense that the pre-1611 English Bibles are translations. The Scriptures do not say that any of those English translations were directly given by inspiration of God. The Church of England makers of the KJV are not prophets and apostles to whom the words proceeded from the mouth of God by inspiration. The Scriptures do not teach that the many words added by the KJV translators are given by inspiration of God. The KJV can be believed to be the word of God translated into English in the same way that the pre-1611 English Bibles are the word of God translated into English and in the same way that post-1611 English Bibles such as the NKJV are the word of God translated into English.

Okay, you state your opinion over and over. I know it by now. What I want from you is for you to state your doctrine from the scriptures where it is not opinion.

KJ21
And Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’”
ASV
And Jesus answered unto him, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone.
AMP
Jesus replied to him, “It is written and forever remains written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone.’”
AMPC
And Jesus replied to him, It is written, Man shall not live and be sustained by (on) bread alone but by every word and expression of God.
BRG
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
CSB
But Jesus answered him, “It is written: Man must not live on bread alone.”
CEB
Jesus replied, “It’s written, People won’t live only by bread.”
CJB
Yeshua answered him, “The Tanakh says, ‘Man does not live on bread alone.’”
CEV
Jesus answered, “The Scriptures say, ‘No one can live only on food.’”
DARBY
And Jesus answered unto him saying, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
DLNT
And Jesus responded to him, “It has been written [in Deut 8:3] that ‘Mankind shall not live on bread alone’”.
DRA
And Jesus answered him: It is written, that Man liveth not by bread alone, but by every word of God.
ERV
Jesus answered, “The Scriptures say, ‘It is not just bread that keeps people alive.’”
EHV
Jesus answered him, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’”
ESV
And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone.’”
ESVUK
And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone.’”
EXB
Jesus answered, “It is written in the Scriptures: ‘A person does not live on bread alone [Deut. 8:3].’”
GNV
But Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread only, but by every word of God.
GW
Jesus answered him, “Scripture says, ‘A person cannot live on bread alone.’ ” 
GNT
But Jesus answered, “The scripture says, ‘Human beings cannot live on bread alone.’”

 

[JD731]

HCSB
But Jesus answered him, “It is written: Man must not live on bread alone. ”
ICB
Jesus answered, “It is written in the Scriptures: ‘A person does not live only by eating bread.’”
ISV
Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘One must not live on bread alone, but on every word of God.’”
PHILLIPS
Jesus answered, “The scripture says, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God’.”
JUB
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
KJV
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
AKJV
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
LEB
And Jesus replied to him, “It is written, ‘Man will not live on bread alone.’”
TLB
But Jesus replied, “It is written in the Scriptures, ‘Other things in life are much more important than bread!’”
MSG
Jesus answered by quoting Deuteronomy: “It takes more than bread to really live.”
MEV
Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’ ”
MOUNCE
And Jesus answered him, · “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone.’” ·
NOG
Yeshua answered him, “Scripture says, ‘A person cannot live on bread alone.’”
NABRE
Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘One does not live by bread alone.’”
NASB
And Jesus answered him, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’”
NASB1995
And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’”
NCB
Jesus answered him: “As it states in Scripture: ‘Man does not live by bread alone.’ ”
NCV
Jesus answered, “It is written in the Scriptures: ‘A person does not live on bread alone.’”
NET
Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man does not live by bread alone.’”
NIRV
Jesus answered, “It is written, ‘Man must not live only on bread.’ ” (Deuteronomy 8:3)
NIV
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’”
NIVUK
Jesus answered, ‘It is written: “Man shall not live on bread alone.” ’
NKJV
But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’ ”
NLV
Jesus said to him, “It is written, ‘Man is not to live by bread alone.’”
NLT
But Jesus told him, “No! The Scriptures say, ‘People do not live by bread alone.’”
NMB
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written: Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
NRSV
Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘One does not live by bread alone.’”
NRSVA
Jesus answered him, ‘It is written, “One does not live by bread alone.”’
NRSVACE
Jesus answered him, ‘It is written, “One does not live by bread alone.”’
NRSVCE
Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘One does not live by bread alone.’”
NTE
‘It is written,’ replied Jesus, ‘ “It takes more than bread to keep you alive.” ’
OJB
And Rebbe Melech HaMoshiach answered Hasatan, It has been written, LO AL HALECHEM LVADOH YCHE-YEH HAADAM, (Not by bread alone will man live Dt 8:3).
TPT
Jesus replied, “I will not! For it is written in the Scriptures, ‘Life does not come only from eating bread but from God. Life flows from every revelation from his mouth.’ ”
RGT
But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread only, but by every word of God.’”
RSV
And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone.’”
RSVCE
And Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone.’”
TLV
Yeshua answered him, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone.’”
VOICE
Jesus: It is written in the Hebrew Scriptures, “People need more than bread to live.”
WEB
Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’” Deuteronomy 8:3
WE
Jesus answered him, `The holy writings say, "Man cannot live on bread only." '
WYC
And Jesus answered to him, It is written, That a man liveth not in bread alone, but in every word of God.
YLT
And Jesus answered him, saying, `It hath been written, that, not on bread only shall man live, but on every saying of God.'