A Scripture question [particularly for Calvinists]

[loDebar]

I did show it is wrong.

I showed the error and the correct version

 

[37818]

I did show it is wrong.

I showed the error and the correct version

I either missed it or did not understand your argument being definitive, that it cannot be understood any other way.

 

[loDebar]

the new believers, Hebrews, did not need again to received the initial call of Salvation because they were true believers and no one can fall away because it is impossible to re crucify Christ . He list things a true believer experiences ut to fall away suggest Christ is not all powerful but is subject to our sin. He died for all sin, total not just the ones committed.

He went to go one to maturity of these new Christians

There is no punctuation in Greek

 

[37818]

the new believers, Hebrews, did not need again to received the initial call of Salvation because they were true believers and no one can fall away because it is impossible to re crucify Christ . He list things a true believer experiences ut to fall away suggest Christ is not all powerful but is subject to our sin. He died for all sin, total not just the ones committed.

He went to go one to maturity of these new Christians

There is no punctuation in Greek

That would seem to be a totally plausible understanding of the writers argument. How can we show it is the sole valid argument?

 

[loDebar]

That would seem to be a totally plausible understanding of the writers argument. How can we show it is the sole valid argument?

Diagram the sentence, as in HS English class,

 

[37818]

Diagram the sentence, as in HS English class,

Really. I never, sadly ever diagamed a sentence in my life. English grammar was my worst subject. You diagram it for me. Any grammar I migth know, which is very very little, comes from looking at Greek grammar. So what ever interest I have in grammar comes from my study of the Bible. Greek grammar are the word endings, and sometimes prefixes. Greek grammar is in the spellings of the Greek words. English is the word order. Old English is some what different than our modern English. "ye are" could be in modern English "you have been." From the Greek, "God was the Logos," in English the word order needs to be "the Word was God." And I see what looks like exceptions being made too. Instead of "The Word was in the beginning," the Greek word order is kept, "In the beginning was the Word." With Genesis 1:1 in mind.

And your suggestion was not a bad suggestion by any means.

https://timmybrister.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Disciple-Making-and-Sentence-Diagramming.pdf

 

[37818]

The whole of ". . . for those who were once enlightened,

"and have tasted of the heavenly gift,

"and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

"And have tasted the good word of God,

"and the powers of the world to come,

"And they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh,

"and put him to an open shame. . . ."

All of [this] which falls under that subject of being ". . . impossible . . . ."

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Whether one says it speaks of a believer or one who heard and simply failed to believe for what ever reason, it describes an impossibility, what collectively as a whole cannot happen.

 

[loDebar]

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Whether one says it speaks of a believer or one who heard and simply failed to believe for what ever reason, it describes an impossibility, what collectively as a whole cannot happen.

no part of this says one failed to believe, That is man made. error The writer says they did believable and it was not necessary to discuss salvation again, because one cannot not fall away one experiencing this Heavenly Gift. but He wants to discuss growth or perfection as a Christian Which is discussed in the rest of the chapter

 

[37818]

The writer says they did believable . . . .

That is an interpreation of what it says about "them." The text does not explicitly say that they where saved or not. The term "believed" is not used, though it can be surmised that "they" did believe from what is describe of "them" in the text. (Stony ground in the parable of the Sower, could be supposed.)

 

[loDebar]

Who is the writer addressing?

 

[37818]

Who is the writer addressing?

Not us. We where not around. Only to Jewish Christians. Then does that mean it cannot apply to us? ". . . know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. . . ." -- Deuteronomy 8:3.
It describes an impossible. And after making that argument writes his audience, ". . . But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. . . ." -- Hebrews 6:9. Which can be understood that that impossible did not pretain to obtaining salvation. Unless you think one can be saved and lost. That would not be Calvinism.

 

[loDebar]

He was addressing Christian converts who were Hebrews and showing how Jesus is better than the Law. These were true believers.