Kelly:
Ok, so then what about Daniel? Daniel gives us more light on the Beasts than the Revelation does. You can write off the book of Revelation as mere poetry, or call it an extension of the Gospels,but the book of Daniel was written THOUSANDS of years before Christ even CAME.
No one is writing off the book of Revelation as mere poetry. These seem to be your thoughts not mine. Every word is the word of God and an extension of the gospels as the word of God and an extension of Daniel. There is no need to ignore the bride and search instead for the Whore.
How can the Bride of Christ already be HERE if you believe that the dead in Christ are already in Heaven? Hmmm
The Bride of Christ is His Church.
But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days. Mark 2:20 This is now.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:2
Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Revelation 21:9
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Revelation 21:9
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Who is looking for the Whore, that missed the Body? I don't know of a single LOST person who is seeking to understand the Prophecies of the Revelation. Most lost people couldn't care less as to what the Bible says! What have they missed? The Body of Christ is not the CC. The Body of Christ is the WORLDWIDE Church of God. ALL OF US.
Who is speaking of the lost? It is non-Catholic Christians not the lost who search for the Whore of Babylon rather than the bride of Christ. I am speaking of the Christians who don’t recognize the body of Christ in the Eucharist, but search for the Whore of Babylon in the Bride of Christ. They miss the supper of the lamb, and search instead for the Whore.
I'm sorry. The CC is NOT a pillar of TRUTH. You might have some doctrines that are correct, but the CC has many others that are WAY WRONG. I'm not alone in this conclusion. There are many protestant denominations, that saw the errors in the CC and left. Those errors are still there.
The Bible says His Church is the Pillar and foundation of truth, not the thousands and thousands of denominations and Christians all declaring that they know the truth and disagreeing and arguing with each other. Every year there are thousands more denominations each having a different slant on something to justify a new church.
I got that. The Vatican rules from Rome. Rome is the City on Seven Hills. When was the Vatican first 'incorporated'? Did you know it was REALLY recently? I wonder why they did that?
Vatican is a separate country. It is not part of Rome. And it is not on seven hills, but pagan Rome was. Vatican City is actually very small and has no desire or army to take over any other hills.
Interesting. Where was that? In Ireland? When was that song referring to?
The "faith of our fathers" referred to in this hymn, however, is the faith of the martyred leaders of the Roman Catholic Church during the sixteenth century. The author of this text, Frederick William Faber, born June 28, 1814, in Calverley, Yorkshire, England, was raised as a strict Calvinist by a father who was an English clergyman. After young Faber's graduation from the renowned Oxford University in 1843, he became a minister in the Anglican Church at a small parish at Elten, England. In his younger days Faber was strongly opposed to the teachings and practices of the Roman Church. However, this was the time when a movement known as the Oxford or Tractarian Movement was strongly influencing the Anglican Church. Whereas the Wesleys and their evangelical followers preached a message of personal conversion easily grasped by even the illiterate man, leaders of the more sophisticated Oxford Movement were of the persuasion that a meaningful religious experience could only be gained through better liturgical and ceremonial church services. From about 1833 to 1850 the Oxford Movement tenaciously directed religious England, during which time many of the Anglican Church's leaders either joined the Roman Church or developed a rejuvenated high church party known as Anglo-Catholics.
Early in his ministerial training Faber came under the influence of this Oxford Movement. After serving just three years as an Anglican minister, he left the Church and joined the Roman Catholic fold. He became known as Father Wilfrid. Shortly after his secession to the Roman Church Faber noticed the great lack of congregational hymnody that existed within this group. He recalled the important and influential role that congregational singing had in Anglican congregations, especially within the more evangelical parishes. Faber began to make it his life's mission to write hymns that promoted the history and teachings of the Catholic Church. In all Frederick Faber wrote 150 such hymns before his early death at the age of forty-nine. For his efforts in this regard he was honored by the Pope with a Doctor of Divinity Degree.
"Faith of Our Fathers" was written by Faber to remind Catholic congregations of their many leaders who were martyred during the reign of Henry VIII in the early days of the establishment of the Anglican Church in Great Britain. The text first appeared in 1849 in Faber's collection, Jesus and Mary; or Catholic Hymns for Singing and Reading. It was always Faber's hope that some day England would be brought back to the papal fold. One of the omitted verses from his original text expresses this thought: Faith of our fathers! Mary's prayers Shall win our country back to thee; And through the truth that comes from God, England shall then indeed be free. Faith of our fathers, holy faith! We would be true to Thee till death.
There have been many more martyrs since then, not even counting the missionaries from all over the world who have given their lives:
Catholic Martyrs of the Holocaust
Blessed Teresa Bracco (1924-1944) -- Italian Citizen (Santa Giulia).
Blessed Titus Brandsma (1881-1942) -- Carmelite priest (Dachau).
Blessed Marcel Callo (1921-1945) -- Jocist layman (Mathausen).
Blessed Jozef Cebula(1902-1941) -- Oblate priest (Mathausen)
Blessed Stefan Wicenty Frelichowski (1913-1945) -- Polish pastor (Dachau)
Blessed Jakob Gapp (1897-1943) -- Marianist priest (Ploetzensee).
Blessed Nikolaus Gross (1898-1945) -- Lay editor (Ploetzensee).
Blessed Jozef Jankowski (1910-1941) -- Pallotine priest (Auschwitz)
Blessed Hilary Januszewski (1907-1945) -- Carmelite priest (Dachau)
Blessed Helene Kafka (1894-1943) -- Franciscan nun (Vienna).
Saint Maximilian Kolbe (1894-1941) -- Franciscan priest (Auschwitz).
Blessed Michal Kozal (1893-1943) -- Polish bishop (Dachau).
Blessed Karl Leisner (1915-1945) -- German priest (Dachau).
Blessed Bernhard Lichtenberg (1875-1943) -- German monsignor (Dachau).
Blessed Alphonsus Mary Mazurek (1891-1944) -- Polish Carmelite (Nawojowa Gora)
Blessed Otto Neururer (1882-1940) -- Austrian priest (Buchenwald).
Blessed Anastazy Jakub Pankiewicz (1882-1942) -- Franciscan priest (Dachau)
Blessed Julia Rodzinska (1899-1944) -- Dominican nun (Stutthof)
Blessed Jozef Stanek (1916-1944) -- Pallotine priest (Warsaw)
Blessed Boleslaw Strzelecki (1896-1941) -- priest of Radom (Auschwitz)
Saint Edith Stein (1891-1942) -- Carmelite nun (Auschwitz). On the same day of her death, August 9, 1942, there also perished at Auschwitz Rosa Stein (1883-1942), her sister, and six members of the Loeb Family all Trappists (three nuns, two priests, and one brother).
108 Polish Martyrs of World War II (1939-1945): Among them were Anton Julian Nowowiejski (1858-1941), an aged archbishop who died in the German death camp at Dzialdowo, where he refused to step on a crucifix; Henryk Kaczorowski (1888-1942), seminary rector at Wloclawek; Ewa Noiszewka (1885-1942) and Marta Wolowska (1879-1942), two Sisters of the Immaculate Conception who were executed at Gora Pietrelewicka in Slonim for hiding Jewish childlren; and Maria Anna Biernacka (1888-1943), one of nine lay persons (she was a benefactress of the Redemptorists in Warsaw) who chose to be executed (she was shot on 13 July 1943 near Grodno) to save her unborn grand child. These were beatified along with George Kaszyra (1904-1943) and Anthony Leszczewicz (1890-1943), Marian priests, (they perished among some 1,500 victims burned alive by the Nazis in Roscia, Belarus, on 17-18 February 1943), whose causes had been opened, on 26 January 1992 in Poland. On June 13, 1999,Pope John Paul II beatified them (including two other bishops, Wladyslaw Goral (1898-1945) and Leon Wetmanski (1886-1941) and many priests, like Jozef Pawlowski (1890-1942) in Kielce and Zygmunt Pisarski (1902-1943) in Lublin, who risked his life to help Jews; and religious, among them Capuchins like Anciet Koplinski (1875-1941); Franciscans like Bruno Zembol (1905-1942), and Salesians like Jozef Kowalski (1911-1942), who died at Auschwitz, not to mention nuns like Maria Antonina Kratochwil (1881-1942), a member of the School Sisters of Notre Dame (she helped Jewish girls in prison), and Maria Klemensa Staszewska (1890-1943), executed at Auschwitz because she hid Jewish girls in a convent. While fifteen of those victims were martyred at Auschwitz and forty-three at Dachau, among the others beatified were also five young Catholic men, The Martyrs of Poznan, who were associated with the Salesians were beheaded at Dresden for their part in resistance activities: Czeslaw Jozwiak (1919-1942), Edward Kazmierski (1919-1942), Edward Klinik (1919-1942), Franciszek Kesy (1920-1942), and Jarogniew Wojciechowski (1922-1942). Although at least eighty Polish Jesuits were martyred by the Nazis, none was included among the thirty-three religious beatified that day. However, it is expected that they will be included in a special ceremony at a future date when the preparation of their causes is concluded.
Emilian Kovtch (1884-1944), a priest from the Ukrainian Eparchy of Stanislaviv (Ivano-Frankivsk) who died in ovens of Majdanek (Poland) concentration camp, as a victim of the Nazis in 1944, is scheduled for beatification in Pope John Paul II's trip to the Ukraine in June 2001.
God Bless
P.S.
I am finished with this thread, feel free to respond in anyway you see fit. I will be gone for a little while, and this thread is getting too long.
