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A six part discussion of sanctification
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From the first link;
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In such a scheme, professing Christians who refuse to submit to Christ as Lord and who refuse to lead lives characterized by obedience and holiness are called ‘carnal Christians.’
This heretical teaching has been called ‘easy believism’ and ‘the carnal Christian heresy.’
Sadly, such teaching has led countless thousands of poor souls down the broad path that leads to destruction. Many churches are filled with antinomian, unregenerate professors of Christianity who merely think of Christ as a fire escape from hell–who want the blessings of heaven but who are unwilling to depart from the sinful pleasures of this world.
With the current popularity of such teaching a consideration of the necessity of sanctification is in order. First, however, it should be noted that although the Bible teaches the necessity of personal holiness or sanctification in a believer’s life, it never gives personal holiness a meritorious role in salvation.
Christ saves His people from the guilt of sin and from its power.
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This error is found here on Bb and in many fundy churches. This is why the lordship teaching is mostly questioned
In such a scheme, professing Christians who refuse to submit to Christ as Lord and who refuse to lead lives characterized by obedience and holiness are called ‘carnal Christians.’
This heretical teaching has been called ‘easy believism’ and ‘the carnal Christian heresy.’
Sadly, such teaching has led countless thousands of poor souls down the broad path that leads to destruction. Many churches are filled with antinomian, unregenerate professors of Christianity who merely think of Christ as a fire escape from hell–who want the blessings of heaven but who are unwilling to depart from the sinful pleasures of this world.
With the current popularity of such teaching a consideration of the necessity of sanctification is in order. First, however, it should be noted that although the Bible teaches the necessity of personal holiness or sanctification in a believer’s life, it never gives personal holiness a meritorious role in salvation.
Christ saves His people from the guilt of sin and from its power.
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From the first link pt2
This seems to be lost in the modern day entertainment and man made rules replacing God's word in many locations. We have had threads on Bb where people suggest that more than 10-15 minutes of God's word preached or taught is too much to endure.
This is the root evil that the carnal Christian heresy produces....
Some post as if this question should be in the debate section.
The Kingdom has already started....
This seems to be lost in the modern day entertainment and man made rules replacing God's word in many locations. We have had threads on Bb where people suggest that more than 10-15 minutes of God's word preached or taught is too much to endure.
This is the root evil that the carnal Christian heresy produces....
Some post as if this question should be in the debate section.
The Kingdom has already started....
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pt3;
As horrible as this sounds...it is a main teaching today. We have seen this here.
This happens in many ways so as not to offend the goats. So now...instead of just walking the aisle for "salvation"???? people now are asked to walk the aisle....for....re-dedication.....that is , the first dedication did not quite take, so they try again to do something in the flesh...hoping somehow it might work this time....
would anyone want to.....make Jesus Lord today...as 20 choruses of I surrender all are playing to manipulate people emotionally to feel as if they are doing something...then claim...the Spirit was really moving today.
Yes....
Thus Paul wrote: ‘For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living’ (Rom 14:7-9)
As horrible as this sounds...it is a main teaching today. We have seen this here.
This happens in many ways so as not to offend the goats. So now...instead of just walking the aisle for "salvation"???? people now are asked to walk the aisle....for....re-dedication.....that is , the first dedication did not quite take, so they try again to do something in the flesh...hoping somehow it might work this time....
would anyone want to.....make Jesus Lord today...as 20 choruses of I surrender all are playing to manipulate people emotionally to feel as if they are doing something...then claim...the Spirit was really moving today.
Yes....
Thus Paul wrote: ‘For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living’ (Rom 14:7-9)
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This is beyond question...no doubt!
very clear
no....no other way....
God-centered evangelism proclaims the biblical message of the lordship of Christ at the outset, not as a second work of grace, or an act of optional consecration later.’ (2)
Real Christians receive Christ as prophet, priest and king; and, as king, Jesus rules over us and subdues sin in our lives.
This is beyond question...no doubt!
very clear
no....no other way....
God-centered evangelism proclaims the biblical message of the lordship of Christ at the outset, not as a second work of grace, or an act of optional consecration later.’ (2)
Real Christians receive Christ as prophet, priest and king; and, as king, Jesus rules over us and subdues sin in our lives.
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I'm getting this feeling that you speak out of both sides of your mouth Icon. On the one hand you espouse SOVEREIGN GRACE, you know, PREDESTINATION, ELECTION, CALLING, GLORIFICATION, and all that good stuff, and then on the other you push stuff like the above. I'm really confused about you.
'You people' (LSers) like to worry others about their 'holiness' and quote OT 'BE YE HOLY', given to Israel in the wilderness, but, WERE THEY HOLY? NO! They committed grievous sins of unbelief, disobedience, murmuring, idolatry, fornication, rebellion, etc., BUT, even with Balaam wanting so badly to curse Israel, God made Balaam to declare:
He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob; Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: Jehovah his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them. Nu 23:21
(Blessed is the man to whom, the Lord will not reckon sin. Ro 4:8)
What very important GRAND Christian doctrine do you think that is a type of Icon?
In the exposition of the law given by the Author of the law in the Sermon on the Mount He gives the same ominous charge:
Ye therefore shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Mt 5:48
What do you think Icon? Can you 'sanctify yourself' to the point of being as perfect as God? Maybe you think you can, but I know better and thank my blessed Saviour for His amazing sovereign grace:
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb 10:14
Yea, I'm really getting mixed impressions from you LSers.
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the command in Leviticus to be holy for I am holy you're correct Israel failed to do it the church the true Israel is not going to fail the church the true Israel is going to be holy.
earlier you quoted Romans 13:8 10 for that to be fulfilled church members have to be holy persons they have to be holy they have to diligently seek after holiness in the life the fact that their elected and call on the holiness shouldn't need an explanation
I am using voice to text I'd like to expand on this and deal more with that later
fact that the command from the Leviticus to be holy is repeated in 1st Peter 1 and the church's told that there are holy nation and 1st Peter to solidify this fact
the command in Leviticus to be holy for I am holy you're correct Israel failed to do it the church the true Israel is not going to fail the church the true Israel is going to be holy.
earlier you quoted Romans 13:8 10 for that to be fulfilled church members have to be holy persons they have to be holy they have to diligently seek after holiness in the life the fact that their elected and call on the holiness shouldn't need an explanation
I am using voice to text I'd like to expand on this and deal more with that later
fact that the command from the Leviticus to be holy is repeated in 1st Peter 1 and the church's told that there are holy nation and 1st Peter to solidify this fact
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So when a true Christian sins, or even chooses to go wayward for a time and season, they are no longer really saved?
Read the texts that were bold in different colors one page earlier....listen to the sermons and read the link offered.....then ask your question
posts 42 to 46
The truth is that when any of us got saved here by grace of God though, all of us received jesus as BOTH our Lord and messiah, as it is the will of God that installed him as such, but also true that God allows us to go wayward at times, bu hat is always against His expressed will, and that he will always do what he needs to in order to bring us back inline!