About to hit the fan in the SBC

[Alive in Christ]

Just read it.

~EXCELLANT~

A clear,and concise articulation of the gosple of Jesus Christ.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Classic.

Somehow I just knew that Iconoclast would be the 1st to claim (((apostacy)))


Good grief.....:tonofbricks:

 

[OldRegular]

Just read it.

~EXCELLANT~

A clear,and concise articulation of the gosple of Jesus Christ.

The Apostle Paul states of the Gospel: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.[Romans 1:16]

There is no Power of God in the "A Statement of the Traditional Southern Baptist Understanding of God’s Plan of Salvation" . Rather, in a nutshell, it is a wimpy statement about the goodness and power of fallen man.

It is quote obvious that these people are either ignorant of Baptist History or simply ignore it. I would suggest they read the book By His Grace and for His Glory by Tom Nettles!

 

[Alive in Christ]

Old regular...

Rather, in a nutshell, it is a wimpy statement about the goodness and power of fallen man.

Huh???

The goodness and power of fallen man???

Where in the WORLD do you get such bizarre notions??

ALL men and women are fallen sinners, and NOTHING in the SBC statement contradicts that truth in any way, shape or form.

 

[mandym]

Old regular...



Huh???

The goodness and power of fallen man???

Where in the WORLD do you get such bizarre notions??

ALL men and women are fallen sinners, and NOTHING in the SBC statement contradicts that truth in any way, shape or form.

Agreed! :thumbs:

 

[mandym]

Just read it.

~EXCELLANT~

A clear,and concise articulation of the gosple of Jesus Christ.

Agreed! :thumbs:

 

[saturneptune]

What is the purpose that each local church belongs to the SBC? It is suppose to be bringing local New Testement churches together to facilitate telling the Good News to a lost world. It is not a clearing house to rubber stamp your opinion about Calvinism or free will. Whether one belongs to the SBC or not, it is an organization the world looks at when they think about the Baptist faith. A lost person who hears the Gospel is not pondering if a Calvinist is trying to take over a non Calvinst church or vice versa. They are not focused whether their eternal destiny was decided in eternity past or not.

Does anyone, especially leaders in a local church, association, or higher level, ever consider the damage this type of nonsense creates? What is a lost person to think when they see documents, opposed to each other out of the same faith, make statements like "we affirm" or "we deny......" It sounds like a bunch of third graders in the middle of a "its mine" argument.

 

[Winman]

I believe I can solve your problem Winman. Southern Baptists generally believe that God calls a man to preach. Perhaps these who believe the Biblical Doctrine of Grace are following the instructions that God gives to Timothy through the Apostle Paul, to wit:

2 Timothy 4:1-8
1. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
6. For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8. Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

My problem? Nuff said, it is no wonder the SBC wants to get rid of Calvinists.

I am not SBC, but I understand what they are trying to do and why. The majority of folks in SBC churches do not agree with Calvinism and they do not want to be identified with it. They don't want a person to think of Calvinism when they think of "Southern Baptist".

I don't blame them. If I told someone I was a Baptist, and they said, "Oh, you are one of those guys that thinks God only loves a few persons and wants to send everyone else to hell.", I would be very offended. I would quickly explain that that is not my view of God whatsoever, and that is not the view of the vast majority of "Baptists".

You guys don't get it, most Baptists do not share your beliefs, and they want nothing to do with it.

 

[kyredneck]

On this board it doesn't matter. The powers that be do not care. It is acceptable behavior.

It must be acceptable; you continually smear and falsely accuse and nothing is ever done about it.

 

[quantumfaith]

See this is exactly what I was talking about. There's zero reason to call the other side "apostates."

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:....to the nth power

 

[Iconoclast]

I am quite sure he does. Maybe he will get it right some time down the road.

What have you seen Dr.White teach that you take issue with???

Mandy...here is an invite for you.Call the show live and correct Dr.White...lol

 

[Iconoclast]

Well, here you go. If James White believes that so many leaders in the SBC are heretics, then why does he want to remain in the SBC? I would have thought he would have called all the "true' believers to "come out of her" long ago.

It is almost like Calvinists are insecure, they most belong to this big organization to prove to themselves they are legitimate and orthodox. At the same time, they commonly sneak into previously non-Cal Baptist churches and try to introduce Calvinism.

Start your own association, and leave those who do not believe Calvinist doctrine alone.

:laugh:They did Winman,they started the sbc:laugh:
The founders movement in the sbc has been calling baptists back to their roots....

read and learn Winman...instead of foaming out your "ideas"
Founders Ministries is a ministry of teaching and encouragement promoting both doctrine and devotion expressed in the Doctrines of Grace and their experiential application to the local church, particularly in the areas of worship and witness. Founders Ministries takes as its theological framework the first recognized confession of faith that Southern Baptists produced, The Abstract of Principles. We desire to encourage the return to and promulgation of the biblical gospel that our Southern Baptist forefathers held dear.


They were calvinists....wheat......the tares grow alongside them until the harvest:thumbs:

 

[Iconoclast]

James White is not representative of all Calvinists. He is a hyper-calvinist like so many we see on this board. He is a joke and not to be taken seriously.

Sure mandy:laugh: many are waiting to hear your thoughts on it:laugh:
I would pay to hear you call in to offer biblical correction:laugh:

 

[Iconoclast]

1. James White is not in the SBC.
2. mandym is either ignorant or a liar in calling James White a hyper-Calvinist.
3. James White will make the author of the article look like a 3rd grader tommorrow on the Dividing Line podcast.
4. no one on this board or those who signed the article would have the courage to call White tommorrow and challenge him.
5. Lot of tough guys on a message board not so many who go into public debate and face the man one on one.

You are correct sir...:applause::applause::thumbs::wavey:

 

[Iconoclast]

There is no doubt that there is always this underlying tension between the two. As has been said it is always the elephant in the room in mixed circles. The squeaky wheels on the reformed side tend to be in your face. We see it on this board. There is a large church in Tennessee that split because a reformed pastor came in without revealing that he was reformed and began pushing change in the church in short order. The current pastor has been able to restore the peace and unity but not before it ran off two other pastors and tore the church apart.

This is what the tension will eventually lead to.

That is your twisted take on it.
What happens is someone in the church, the members discover some puritan books,start to see and hear verses they never heard during the sermonette their pastor offered week by week.
They want more of the word.Lazy church "members" who barely study a daily bread, feel threatened by those who are on fire, who desire to serve,learn , teach, and reform. They whine, and make caricatures of the position because they cannot answer biblically....you say:

[The squeaky wheels on the reformed side tend to be in your face. We see it on this board/QUOTE]

You just accused Dr.White of being a hyper...when he has taught against that false idea, Any calvinist seems to be in your face because they want you who accuse them to answer biblically. This suggests you do not know what you are speaking about. Can you back up your accusation.
Sounds like at saturns church they do this often....which is fine. You can only learn by going back and forth scripturally.

There is a large church in Tennessee that split because a reformed pastor came in without revealing that he was reformed and began pushing change in the church in short order.

really...????? sounds like the congregation was dumb as rocks, if they heard him preach and could not tell the difference.

 

[Iconoclast]

Here's the initial reaction from Tom Ascol of the Founders:
http://blog.founders.org/2012/05/statement-of-traditional-southern.html

Thanks for this link. Good to see some proper understanding offered rather than a complete doctrinal attack.:thumbs:

 

[Iconoclast]

1. The author of the first book by a Southern Baptist on theology was by John Dagg who believed the Biblical Doctrine of Grace.

2. The founders of the first Southern Baptist Seminary believed the Biblical Doctrine of Grace; Boyce, Broadus, and Manly.

3. One of the more widely referenced books on theology was by the yankee Baptist, Strong who also believed the Biblical Doctrine of Grace.

4. Grudem who wrote a widely used text on theology also believes the Biblical Doctrine of Grace!

You are trying to confuse us with the facts:laugh::laugh::wavey::thumbs:

 

[Iconoclast]

I believe I can solve your problem Winman. Southern Baptists generally believe that God calls a man to preach. Perhaps these who believe the Biblical Doctrine of Grace are following the instructions that God gives to Timothy through the Apostle Paul, to wit:

2 Timothy 4:1-8
1. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
6. For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8. Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Imagine...a pastor preaching the whole counsel of God,even election and predestination....shocking:wavey:

 

[Iconoclast]

Just read it.

~EXCELLANT~

A clear,and concise articulation of the gosple of Jesus Christ.

AIC ......

 

[Iconoclast]

Classic.

Somehow I just knew that Iconoclast would be the 1st to claim (((apostacy)))


Good grief.....:tonofbricks:

Of course AIC...... apostasy ...is a falling away from truth....thankfully there are many solid southern baptists that will oppose this evil attack against believers.
Glad I could sound the alarm for you:thumbs:They got just about everything wrong. At least they are consistent, they did take a stand, they tried in the strength of the flesh. Sorry to see where they stand...opposing God's truth. This statement is so bad, I am thankful that many will turn to truth when they read this mis-guided statement.