Absolute predestinarian Primitve Baptist Churches in N.C.

[pinoybaptist]

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I once heard a story that took place about 200 years ago. There was an African tribesman who belonged to a tribe that worshiped a tree stump that Lightning had hit and burned. He did this for years until one day. All at once he was internally convicted that worshiping the stump was terribly wrong and that he should be worshiping the God that made the lightning AND the tree. He did this despite heavy persecution from his peers. He worshiped an unknown god. Later, he was captured and sold into slavery and came to Amercia. Once he was given liberties he heard a preacher speak of Jesus and his Completed work on the cross. He heard of wonderful pardon. He heard of all the wonderful attributes of the Saviour. All at once the realization shot through him like electricity! Jesus was the GOD in whom he once ignorantly worshiped!

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There is a book titled Eternity in Their Hearts...title taken from a verse in Ecclessiastes reading that way in NIV, but not in the KJV....
anyway, the author has compiled stories shared by some missionaries or quoted from the lives of some missionaries like Hudson Taylor, where he met natives in the lands he went to that actually had stories passed on to them by word of mouth from their ancestors where they were supposed to wait for a stranger or strangers from far away lands who will show them "the way", or something like that.
I had the book but loaned it to a friend.
Interesting read, but, as always with something extrascriptural, to be taken with a wee grain of salt, even if we believe that God has His elect in all segments and chronology of this plane we call time.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

New Jersey? My wifes Aunt had a beach house in Ocean City we used to go there every year when my kids were little. Small world. FYI... If I lived in Jersey I would attend Welsh Tract Primitive Baptist Church on Welsh Tract road in Newark Delaware. This is where Elder James F. Poole used to preach and they are most assuredly Absoluters. Elder Poole was the original editor of the Primitive baptist paper called the Remnant. (good stuff) Elder Dirkes is the preacher there now. They meet every Sunday I believe. I would be glad to send you audios of that preaching if you wish.. And yes, I look forward to the Old School Board :godisgood:

For me that would be about a 2 1/2 hour to 3 Hr drive. But I didnt even know they existed (& Im part Welsh). Why the heck dont these guys church plant in real towns like Morristown, Hackensack, Parsippany, Somerville, you know where like people live & work.... Jeeze!!!

 

[Yeshua1]

Sure he did....he died for those the Father gave him.....the Propitiation was completed.

"It is Finished"

Yes, but was made actual when the elected/chosem person received jesus thru faith!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, but was made actual when the elected/chosem person received jesus thru faith!

Our faith has zilch to do with our eternal destiny but everything to do with the benefits to be had from obedience to the gospel here, now, in this realm.

God Himself has settled all eternal aspects of our salvation. It's up to us to believe that, rest in it, trust Him, adhere to Him, rely on Him, love Him, love our neighbor, and enjoy the table He has set before us.

 

[Jerome]

Questions Proposed from the several Churches, Debated, and Resolved, by the Baptist Assembly of 1689:

Q. Whether believers were not actually reconciled to God, actually justified, and adopted, when Christ died?

A. That the reconciliation, justification, and adoption of believers, are infallibly secured by the gracious purpose of God, and merit of Jesus Christ. Yet none can be said to be actually reconciled, justified, or adopted, until they are really implanted into Jesus Christ by faith; and so by virtue of this their union with him, have these fundamental benefits actually conveyed unto them. And this, we conceive, is fully evidenced, because the scripture attributes all these benefits to faith as the instrumental cause of them, Rom. iii. 25. v. 1, ll. Gal. iii. 26. And gives such representation of the state of the elect before faith, as is altogether inconsistent with an actual right in them. Eph. ii. 1, 2, 3, 12.

 

[OldSchool]

Our faith has zilch to do with our eternal destiny but everything to do with the benefits to be had from obedience to the gospel here, now, in this realm.

God Himself has settled all eternal aspects of our salvation. It's up to us to believe that, rest in it, trust Him, adhere to Him, rely on Him, love Him, love our neighbor, and enjoy the table He has set before us.

Absolutely Brother. Faith and repentance are gracious gifts from God. They are evidences of the new birth, not causes of the new birth. The new birth is what enables depraved man to even see himself as a sinner. Faith is my assurance. I can fully trust in Christ's FINISHED WORK on the cross and believe that it actually pardoned ALL my sins. If I can truly believe that, nothing wavering. And rest in that, then that is all the evidence I need that I have eternal life. Because that kind of trust could never have come from within.


"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)

Believeth is present tense... Hath is past tense.

Thus, he that is now believing, has already been given everlasting life.

If you can believe then the LORD has already visited:thumbsup:

 

[Yeshua1]

Our faith has zilch to do with our eternal destiny but everything to do with the benefits to be had from obedience to the gospel here, now, in this realm.

God Himself has settled all eternal aspects of our salvation. It's up to us to believe that, rest in it, trust Him, adhere to Him, rely on Him, love Him, love our neighbor, and enjoy the table He has set before us.

{our faith} is a gift from the Lord Himself, but we still MUST receive jesus thru that faith, as faith is the avenue God ordained that His Grace to save us would get to us by!

Every example in the NT is that sinners received jesus thru faith, and that was when they got saved by God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Absolutely Brother. Faith and repentance are gracious gifts from God. They are evidences of the new birth, not causes of the new birth. The new birth is what enables depraved man to even see himself as a sinner. Faith is my assurance. I can fully trust in Christ's FINISHED WORK on the cross and believe that it actually pardoned ALL my sins. If I can truly believe that, nothing wavering. And rest in that, then that is all the evidence I need that I have eternal life. Because that kind of trust could never have come from within.


"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)

Believeth is present tense... Hath is past tense.

Thus, he that is now believing, has already been given everlasting life.

If you can believe then the LORD has already visited:thumbsup:

The holy Spirit enters into a person when they believe on Jesus,not before!

 

[pinoybaptist]

The holy Spirit enters into a person when they believe on Jesus,not before!

the Holy Spirit INDWELLS every elect child of God, which is why when they receive the effectual call of God, it is irresistible to them.
you might be confusing indwelling, with infilling.
not the same.

 

[OldSchool]

Like I stated before, Often times men are looking at the same thing just from differing viewpoints or angles. I've spent 10-12 years almost driving myself crazy over these issues. And it all comes from tampering with the mind of the High and Lofty one. :BangHead: In the beginning, I was Arminian to the core (as I believe all men are by nature). As time progressed, I went from a Synergist to finally an absolute Monergist. I believe man is Entirely passive in His Salvation with Christ as the Captain of our souls. Finally if we give Christ ALL of the credit and ALL of the glory. Where is the wrong in that? Where is the wrong in praising him for ALL things? Not 80% of our salvation. No, not even 99%. Why is it wrong to give him ALL the praise and Glory that is due to him? The Monergistic view point does just that. No need for division, no need for arguments. We will ALWAYS differ some. None of us will EVER see things Exactly the same way. Why? because we are sinners of whom I am chief :jesus:

Even though some have never plowed the furrow far enough... most Christians belief systems stem from 1 of the 4 views below. Each view will color thier Theology in almost every area:

Ecclesiology

Christology

Soteriology

Eschatology

and so on.

Thank God our Salvation does NOT depend on our understanding of the things of God.. or we would ALL be lost!

Glory to Jesus forever!



Supralapsarianism
1. Elect some, reprobate rest
2. Create
3. Permit Fall
4. Provide salvation for elect
5. Call elect to salvation


Infralapsarianism
1. Create
2. Permit Fall
3. Elect some, pass over the rest
4. Provide salvation for elect
5. Call elect to salvation


Amyraldism
1. Create
2. Permit Fall
3. Provide salvation sufficient for all
4. Elect some, pass over rest
5. Call elect to salvation


Arminianism
1. Create
2. Permit Fall
3. Provide salvation for all
4. Call all to salvation
5. Elect those who believe

 

[Yeshua1]

the Holy Spirit INDWELLS every elect child of God, which is why when they receive the effectual call of God, it is irresistible to them.
you might be confusing indwelling, with infilling.
not the same.

The Spirit makes us new creatures in Christ, indwells and seals us at moment of receiving jesus thru faith, and His infilling is a decision by decision response to him that we can choose to do after that!

 

[Ricky Blair]

Like I stated before, Often times men are looking at the same thing just from differing viewpoints or angles. I've spent 10-12 years almost driving myself crazy over these issues. And it all comes from tampering with the mind of the High and Lofty one. :BangHead: In the beginning, I was Arminian to the core (as I believe all men are by nature). As time progressed, I went from a Synergist to finally an absolute Monergist. I believe man is Entirely passive in His Salvation with Christ as the Captain of our souls. Finally if we give Christ ALL of the credit and ALL of the glory. Where is the wrong in that? Where is the wrong in praising him for ALL things? Not 80% of our salvation. No, not even 99%. Why is it wrong to give him ALL the praise and Glory that is due to him? The Monergistic view point does just that. No need for division, no need for arguments. We will ALWAYS differ some. None of us will EVER see things Exactly the same way. Why? because we are sinners of whom I am chief :jesus:

Even though some have never plowed the furrow far enough... most Christians belief systems stem from 1 of the 4 views below. Each view will color thier Theology in almost every area:

Ecclesiology

Christology

Soteriology

Eschatology

and so on.

Thank God our Salvation does NOT depend on our understanding of the things of God.. or we would ALL be lost!

Glory to Jesus forever!



Supralapsarianism
1. Elect some, reprobate rest
2. Create
3. Permit Fall
4. Provide salvation for elect
5. Call elect to salvation


Infralapsarianism
1. Create
2. Permit Fall
3. Elect some, pass over the rest
4. Provide salvation for elect
5. Call elect to salvation


Amyraldism
1. Create
2. Permit Fall
3. Provide salvation sufficient for all
4. Elect some, pass over rest
5. Call elect to salvation


Arminianism
1. Create
2. Permit Fall
3. Provide salvation for all
4. Call all to salvation
5. Elect those who believe

Old School guy, who are you ? My name is Ricky. I live in Marion NC should be kinda close to where you are. I know this thread is old but if you see it. Please reply, we share the same interest and thoughts. You can contact me at crazyrick28752@gmail.com. Or look me up on Facebook, Ricky Blair. Thanks

 

[kyredneck]

Old School guy, who are you ? My name is Ricky. I live in Marion NC should be kinda close to where you are. I know this thread is old but if you see it. Please reply, we share the same interest and thoughts. You can contact me at crazyrick28752@gmail.com. Or look me up on Facebook, Ricky Blair. Thanks

...looks like @OldSchool made all 17 of his posts on this 8 yr old thread and that's it. He's been inactive since. (hard to believe I missed this one)