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JD731

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The soul dies in the second death along with the lost's resurrected body. The dead's consciousness does not end with the death of the soul.

The soul is the consciousness, and is eternal..death is separation. Eternal death is eternal separation.
 

37818

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The soul is the consciousness, and is eternal..death is separation. Eternal death is eternal separation.
Consciousness continues when the soul dies, Matthew 10:28, ". . . And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. . . ." The word destroy means lost, perish. G622
 

AustinC

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You have not proven to me or anyone else that you have the slightest handle on what the Bible teaches. You sure have only stated things from the studies of other men from which you have received your doctrines and because they have called it orthodox teaching, so do you. It is not.

And on another note, the majority is almost always wrong. Reformed theology derives it's doctrines from the tree from which it fell, the RCC. The fruit did not fall far from the tree.
It's been proven and determined at the Council of Ephesus in 431, JD. There is nothing for me to do, but point to what has already been determined by all the churches world wide. You literally have no one agreeing with you in all of Christianity. Please let that sink in.

Finally, your comment that the "majority is always wrong, means you must prove your universal statement. Since the majority says that God is known in the Trinity as one God in 3 distinct persons, your comment would be that the Trinity is wrong.
Since the majority believe that Jesus is God the Son, that he died was buried and rose from the dead...you must say that is wrong. Do you see how universal statements work?

JD, it is clear that you have a belief about God that very few in Christianity hold and that was disproven in 431AD.
 
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JD731

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It's been proven and determined at the Council of Ephesus in 431, JD. There is nothing for me to do, but point to what has already been determined by all the churches world wide. You literally have no one agreeing with you in all of Christianity. Please let that sink in.

Finally, your comment that the "majority is always wrong, means you must prove your universal statement. Since the majority says that God is known in the Trinity as one God in 3 distinct persons, your comment would be that the Trinity is wrong.
Since the majority believe that Jesus is God the Son, that he died was buried and rose from the dead...you must say that is wrong. Do you see how universal statements work?

JD, it is clear that you have a belief about God that very few in Christianity hold and that was disproven in 431AD.

The formation of the universal church, the RCC, did not bring light into the world, but rather, darkness. Augustine was a father, and you have been duped. She is the “mother” of harlots in Re 17 and has other harlot daughters. All the reformers in the 16th century were of the mother church, which is defined as “ Mystery Babylon, a reference to her beginning which predates Christianity by centuries. There should be a lesson here for you.


2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The true church of Jesus Christ did not have its beginning in 431 AD. The doctrines of the church were not given through Augustine but through the Apostle Paul. There is no authority from heaven for church counsels that does not involve those who hold the office of apostle. Only 13 men held the office of apostle. Fourteen if one counts our Lord Jesus, who is said in Hebrews to be


Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Apostleship was a foundational office of the church of Jesus Christ, only to be laid once. All others who pretend to speak for the church are usurpers and frauds. This includes those who spoke at your counsel in 431 AD. Especially them.

Ephesians 2:19-22
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

You greatly err in your philosophy.
 

AustinC

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The formation of the universal church, the RCC, did not bring light into the world, but rather, darkness. Augustine was a father, and you have been duped. She is the “mother” of harlots in Re 17 and has other harlot daughters. All the reformers in the 16th century were of the mother church, which is defined as “ Mystery Babylon, a reference to her beginning which predates Christianity by centuries. There should be a lesson here for you.


2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The true church of Jesus Christ did not have its beginning in 431 AD. The doctrines of the church were not given through Augustine but through the Apostle Paul. There is no authority from heaven for church counsels that does not involve those who hold the office of apostle. Only 13 men held the office of apostle. Fourteen if one counts our Lord Jesus, who is said in Hebrews to be


Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Apostleship was a foundational office of the church of Jesus Christ, only to be laid once. All others who pretend to speak for the church are usurpers and frauds. This includes those who spoke at your counsel in 431 AD. Especially them.

Ephesians 2:19-22
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

You greatly err in your philosophy.
Again, no church, at anytime in the history of churches has held to your view and been considered a Christian church.
Let that sink in to you.
 

JD731

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Consciousness continues when the soul dies, Matthew 10:28, ". . . And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. . . ." The word destroy means lost, perish. G622

???? I am not sure what your argument is or whether we agree or disagree. Your style of presenting your case leaves many scratching there heads in wonder.

Sometimes, after multiple posts on an op, I will still be wondering what you believe.

Maybe it is me who is to blame.
 

JD731

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Again, no church, at anytime in the history of churches has held to your view and been considered a Christian church.
Let that sink in to you.

I think you are claiming omniscience now. God has only local pastors of churches. He does not have bishops of a universal church, though the church, wherever it is in the world, is one body
 

AustinC

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I think you are claiming omniscience now. God has only local pastors of churches. He does not have bishops of a universal church, though the church, wherever it is in the world, is one body
Yep, those local churches don't hold your view. Your view is not what Christian churches believe.
Let that sink in.
 

AustinC

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admin note:

Lets make this discussion a bit more civil
Nuff said?
Salty, are children born innocent? Are they just like Adam and Eve before the fall, with only a potential for sinning?
What says the BB administration on the subject? What is the civil answer to this question?

I don't see the Bible teaching holy innocence of children. What view does the admin team have on this issue? I'm genuinely curious.
 
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