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I am sorry to say this Van, but I have only known cults to do what you have just done.
You have taken out the proper translation of a word in the Bible and inserted your own idea. Your idea is not found in Scripture, not found in that verse, and certainly not found in the Greek word underlying "adoption." One cannot go willy-nilly adding to the Word of God whenever and wherever they like.

 

In the process of adoption, is a person adopted as son at death or at birth; please answer. In my illustration, did my relative take a young child or an elderly man ready to die, when he adopted him. Do most of the people waiting on adoption roles, waiting for someone to adopt--are they waiting for someone in a senior's home (long-term care center) or an infant that they can adopt from just after birth?
--You have the adoption process as taking place at the end of life instead of at the beginning--ludicrous.

Provide a link to your answers to the post. I have not seen them yet.

His answers are consistent. He is not consistently wrong. You are. There is only one verse that looks to the future, and that is Romans 8:23. All the others look to the past, and that includes Rom.8:15. There is no verb in that verse that looks to a future event. Why do you twist the Scriptures?

Was Israel adopted as a nation at Mount Sinai (at their birth), or in 70 A.D. (at their death). Which one? At which event were they adopted--at the beginning of their existence or at their end.
Hint:
Deu 7:6
6 "For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.

No. That is wrong. In Roman culture rich families adopted children from poorer families, usually willing to give their children up for a better life. At the age of 25 they were able to receive an inheritance. They were adopted at the beginning of their life, not the end. They were adopted as children not as adults.
Go to my post where I exegeted the entire passage of Gal.4:1-7 for you, and respond to that. Paul explains the entire process of adoption and son-placing in Scripture itself. Why not answer the Scripture.
John 1:12 We are given the "right" to be the sons of God when we receive Christ as Savior--when we believe on his name.

No it doesn't. It has nothing to do with our future resurrection. What family on earth adopts a son at the time of his death? That is just plain ridiculous. The resurrection of the body takes place after death. We wait for the redemption of our bodies. It is a future event. I have been adopted already according to Romans 8:15. It is a done deal. All adopted children don't have to wait until death. They are adopted early on in life.

No it isn't. That is a wrong translation and nowhere to be found in the Bible. You don't find that anywhere in any lexicon. It is just plain wrong.

Answer, verse by verse, this post:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2093512&postcount=44

 

The only thing that you have proven here is that its dangerous to try to argue from the original texts with credible sources IF one has a faulty understanding of what the English versions actually do say and support?

Sounds like you are in a full circle, getting back to many of us hear using and relying upon to what you se as being "bad translations!"

 

Present tense, we are NOW called the children of God, as we WERE past tense with ongoing results, and will be resurrected to become what the present and ongoingadoption grants to us eventually becomming!

 

Adoption has nothing to do with predestination. At the time of salvation, one is placed as a (mature) son into the household of God as an heir. He once was a servant in a house of bondage under the law. He is no longer under the law but under grace, a son, an heir of God, and joint-heir with Jesus Christ. As a (mature) son, he has all the rights and privileges of a son, the blessings and inheritances that a son will have. The redemption of the body is simply one aspect of that adoption.
In Rom.8:15 the verse looks at a present relationship which started in the past. It does not look to a future event. There is no future verb in verse 15. Your exegesis of the verse is just plain wrong. We HAVE NOW the Spirit of adoption. We don't have to wait for it, for we have already been adopted.

You have still failed to address post #44, not just one verse (vs.5), but all the verses (1-7) which give the full picture of adoption.

 

Either you are right NOW in Adam, lost in sins, part of family of satan, or else right NOW, in Christ as a son/daughter of God!

 

What the BIBLE teaches us is that right NOW, we are children of God thru/by adoption, and that God predentined those He so adopted to have final state of glorification , and the Spirit Himself sealing us is the pledge of that will happen!

 

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: 1 John 3:2

Maybe we just don't know what color our feathers will be. Maybe we are in incubation.

 

Don't worry about if its 'calviniistic" theology or not here about biblcal adoption, as BOTH DHK and I see it pretty much same way, as the bible itself teaches!

 

There is no "Spirit of Promised Resurrection." You are making that up. It is not found in the Bible. It is not even inferred. It is your eisigesis, and not a good one at that. It is just vain imagination, and that is all.
2. I never said we have the "Spirit of Promised Resurrection." Show that phrase in the Bible. It is not there. It is wrongly used in one translation out of perhaps 20. It is a wrong translation. It is not in the Greek. That much is obvious. Show from a literal Greek translation that it is there. Use the Greek words yourself.
3. I have always distanced adoption from regeneration so why the false allegations here? You should be ashamed of yourself! Go back and read my post carefully. Better yet, answer post #44 like you should have a long time ago.

You are just plain wrong, and make up things as you go along.
You can't answer the plain exposition of God's Word (Gal.4:1-7) can you?
Does the Word of God bother you?

 

There is a plethora of Scripture that speaks of adoption and son-placing. You hang the entire doctrine on just one verse. To make a comparison that is like that Charismatic snake charmers hanging that one doctrine on one verse in Mark, when there is much other Scripture that would speak against it.
Son-placing has nothing to do with our promised resurrection. You would be resurrected only to stand before the Great White Throne Judgement if you were not placed as a son, adopted into His family, long before that time--the time of the Resurrection. If you have to wait for the resurrection to take place that is gambling with the eternal state of your life. Make sure of life by making sure that you are adopted now. For the redemption of our bodies is but one small aspect of our adoption, not the only aspect.

Moses was adopted by the daughter of Pharaoh. But then he rejected all the privileges and inheritance and the chance to become Pharaoh. He rejected it all, though he was an adoptive son. He was adopted as an infant; rejected the adoption as an adult.

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

There are all kinds of examples in the Bible where individuals are adopted as sons, when they are young, but not when they are old. Moses is a good example. He was adopted as an infant. He was placed into the household as an infant--made a son as an infant. That is how it always happens.

That is how it happens spiritually.
When one is born again, he is also adopted, justified, sanctified, forgiven, and a whole lot more. He is adopted at the same time that he becomes a child of God. Regeneration is not the only thing that happens at salvation!!
He is made a son of God, an heir and joint heir with Jesus Christ. And that happens when he is an "infant" spiritually speaking. When he is fully mature (at the resurrection) is not the time when he is adopted. It is an aspect of adoption.
Sons are adopted as children, not when they are about to die.
You have gone off the deep end here. Our spiritual life begins when we are new born babes at the new birth, the same time we are adopted. Our complete inheritance will be fully realized at the resurrection when our redemption is complete as we are given our glorified bodies.
Are you redeemed? Yes or no.
If so, then why do you wait for the redemption of your body?
The same is true with adoption.

My friend adopted a child. He did not give him a "promised resurrection." Just how does that fit in? It is absurd. The son came from a broken family, possibly where he was either forsaken by his "father" or even abused. He was about 7 years old. Now a loving Christian man adopted him. For the first time in his life he was able to call him "father," and understand what a "father/son" relationship meant. The word "abba/dad" meant more to him than his younger sister because he knew what it was like not to have one. He was adopted as a son, still early in his life--not a son on his deathbed. That is just unheard of. But that is what you are advocating or teaching.

Because you are sons. Pay attention to that.
You are putting an unnecessary time element there like many Calvinists do. Salvation is simultaneous. That is when one is saved he is regenerated, saved, justified, sanctified, and adopted all at the same time.
The only thing that comes first IMO is faith. The Bible teaches that you must believe in order to be saved.
We are made sons at the same time we became children of God through regeneration.
We were once a son, a slave to the bondage of the law and sin;
God took us and placed us as His son, His servant with the Spirit of Adoption into His family, his household.

 

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