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After Church Crowd at Restaurants

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saturneptune

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How about you Doing the church and world a favor and stop eating altogether.
It is obvious your three strongest spiritual gifts are graciousness, edification, and loving your neighbor as yourself. I was wondering if you would number those one to three as your best qualities.
 

mandym

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I observed something Friday night at a chain restaurant that confirms what we have had threads before about. As I walked away from what I saw, I could not help but ponder why. There was a lot of shouting, screaming and arguing coming from one of the small sections of the restaurant that was not being used. (no, it was not a Baptist Board reunion) The meeting was several waitresses and their boss. These waitresses were having a knock down, drag out about who had to cover the shift starting at noon Sunday, not because anyone had to be anywhere, but because the majority of people coming in from church are the rudest, most demanding, and cheapest tippers of any other time or group during the week.

I have known this for years because of the stories my daughter told me while working at a Chinese restaurant in college. I will not even mention what happens to some of these people's food.

Anyhow, this being a known fact, why is the question. Why are born again Christians, that supposedly just left a service to worship the Lord, turned into a bunch of raving maniacs that set them apart from the world alright, but in the wrong direction? I have thought about this over and over, and cannot understand it. This is not a local phenomina, as I have observed it on trips, and once, it was even mentioned in a Sunday School lesson.

What causes this? We should be the most understanding, gracious, kind and generous tippers of anyone else during the week. In fact, that meeting I mentioned at the first should be arguing about who gets to work the shift.

Any observations appreciated.

This video is a good example of that:

http://media.preachingtoday.com/mini-movies/7871/Faith-Without-Love
 

annsni

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LOL Ann! You're a liberal and didn't know it!!

Yep, I've been one for a long time, apparently!! I can't remember just why I've been liberal in the past but because I have seen evidence of believers starving to death, I'm a liberal again. I guess liberal really means "disagreeing with FAL"? ;)
 

matt wade

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I don't agree. In the first place I do not agree with a 15% min. It should always be based on the service and thta inclued the attitude of the person waiting the table.

I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with freeatlast's statement here.

If the service is horrible and the waiters attitude stinks, why do you think we should still tip a min. of 15%?

If the waiter stinks, he'll get nothing from me. I haven't had to do this in a long time, and I normally tip 20%, but if the situation calls for it I will leave no tip.
 

Tom Butler

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Tom I agree with you that we should be generous as possible to honor the Lord. However I am afraid that many of those who bus tables today feel it is their right to be tipped some going rate even if they give poor service and have bad attitudes. As to your daughter as long as she is a believe she will not starve. Scripture says;
Psalm 37:25
I have been young, and [now] am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

One of the things I have done is ask the person who is waiting the table if I can pray for them about anything specific when I ask the blessing on the food.

I was using hyperbole regarding my granddaughter's starving. She won't while I'm alive.

I don't think I've ever had a waitress who gave really poor service and had an attitude. Oh, maybe one.

I tend to cut servers a lot of slack. They've got to really be incompetent to get a reduced tip. I fear there are too many folks out there looking for an excuse to tip less.
 

saturneptune

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I watched the video. It infuriates me. There is no way I could be a waiter. First of all, that glass of water and food would have been dumped over the female customer's head, and the prayer the male member of the party said would have been shoved up his nose. These people treated the waitress like that and did not miss a beat with the blessing. It kind of reminds me of the Pharisees praying in the NT while squinting their eyes open to see who was watching.

The central question comes down to this. What went on the inside of a person the during the hour of worship right before going to the restaurant?
 

saturneptune

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I don't understand why people are having such a hard time with freeatlast's statement here.

If the service is horrible and the waiters attitude stinks, why do you think we should still tip a min. of 15%?

If the waiter stinks, he'll get nothing from me. I haven't had to do this in a long time, and I normally tip 20%, but if the situation calls for it I will leave no tip.

As I said in a previous post, I will refrain from describing what happens to food with some of the senarios in this thread, but they do happen, and all over the country.
 

Pleasant_Bill

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(2) I don't know where you folks in BB land are eating, but a night out for me in the wifey is not that extravagant. The most I've ever spent on a meal was about $100 when we were dating. I was trying to impress her, but it didn't, she's just as happy with a burger and fries. The last big meal we had was on our 5th anniversary, I think the total was about $75. A typical night out for us at a sit down restaurant, the total might be $20 to $30. Usually we drink water, and sometimes we will split the ticket.

Why are you and your wife 'splitting the ticket'?!! Your monies should be combined (IMO) and you pay for the meal. A commitment to marriage should include finances (again, IMO). This may explain why you tip @ 10%. Hopefully when you do split the bill, your wife tips more.

(3)I've never served, but based upon my observations a typical server can wait on at least 4 tables at a time. If we are there for an hour, at the most between greeting, taking our order, bringing the food, filling up drinks, and bringing the check, I seriously doubt the server is spending more than 15 minutes at our table. If we tip $2.50 (10%), and everybody at the other tables tip the same, than thats $10.00 and hour from tips. Assuming the base pay from the restaurant is $4.00 (half of the minimum wage, I don't know what it actually is but I know its lower) than that is $14.00 an hour. A server that works 40 hrs a week is making a liveable wage in my part of the country. The reality is however, that most are only working part time while in school or as additional income. Either way, at a minimum $14.00 an hour is sufficient for the skill level IMO.

Most (not all) of those waiters/waitresses are busting their butts not only bringing your food and refilling your drinks but also catering to every little whim of their customers. 'Can I get a side of _____' or 'can I get some more ____' not to mention they're EXPECTED (by their bosses) to clean as they come and go. You're off the mark thinking that they're only spending 15 mins at your table. And if you're stuck on an average of 10% on a $30 meal, is the extra $1.50-$3.00 going to drive you into foreclosure?

However, if someone doesn't tip 20% they are somehow lacking in thankfulness to God for his mercy. Just seems like a bit of a double standard to me.

I don't see where anyone said if you tip less, you're not thankful. The consensus seems to be 'Get with the times; 10% is what people typically give for substandard service'.

Shouldn't Christians be the model for others in society? Those that are waiting tables in society are probably a little down on their luck and could use the few extra dollars.


I start at 20% and their tip can go up or down. I also tip 10% or more when I go get take out (pizza, chinese food, etc.....) because I've been there and KNOW they need any extra you can give them.
 

freeatlast

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It is obvious your three strongest spiritual gifts are graciousness, edification, and loving your neighbor as yourself. I was wondering if you would number those one to three as your best qualities.

Those are not spiritual gifts. Get into the book and you will not have to make up things!
 

freeatlast

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This is what happens when you harden your heart and become deaf and blind. The word of God is no effect. The passage does not say that we cannot be starved or shot or hanged. It is dealing with God providing for His own. Your liberal bent has failed you again as God’s word never fails even though you want to claim it does.
 

freeatlast

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Yep, I've been one for a long time, apparently!! I can't remember just why I've been liberal in the past but because I have seen evidence of believers starving to death, I'm a liberal again. I guess liberal really means "disagreeing with FAL"? ;)

No you have never seen a believer starve to death. Ann you know that is absolutely false. God never fails. Someone may kill anopther by starvation, or by hanging them or shooting them but not because they simply starved and God did not provide. You are sooo liberal and blind. Why do you hate the word of God sooo much to speak against it?
 

freeatlast

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I was using hyperbole regarding my granddaughter's starving. She won't while I'm alive.

I don't think I've ever had a waitress who gave really poor service and had an attitude. Oh, maybe one.

I tend to cut servers a lot of slack. They've got to really be incompetent to get a reduced tip. I fear there are too many folks out there looking for an excuse to tip less.

Perhaps some ARE trying to find excuses not to tip, I don't know, but again unless we know everything about them it is difficult to know. I would suggest that everyone here that is so concerned about the tipping practice of another brother or sister just watch them as they get up and leave and then walk over and put a tip down for them or add to the one they leave if you are really that spiritually minded and want the Lord's name protected. That is if you are really that spiritual. The other thing to could consider is just eat your meal and mind your own business although that would most likely take more discipline. ;)
 

matt wade

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As I said in a previous post, I will refrain from describing what happens to food with some of the senarios in this thread, but they do happen, and all over the country.

What does this have to do with what I posted? Things happening to food happen before a tip is left...not after.
 

12strings

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As long as she is a believe she will not starve. Scripture says;
Psalm 37:25
I have been young, and [now] am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

1. So you're going to say that no believer in the history of the world has ever begged for bread? If a person does beg for bread, do you automatically judge them as not truly saved?

You are sooo liberal and blind. Why do you hate the word of God sooo much to speak against it?

2. So unless you believe that Psalm 37:25 means no believer will starve (which it doesn't even say)...you are automatically a liberal and a hater of the word of God?

3. What about this scripture? - "Do not repay evil with evil, but repay evil with Good." (Doesn't that mean we should give a bad waitress a good tip?)
 
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