I guess I'll tell the friend of ours who is a missionary that he lied. Thanks for letting me know that he is a liar and the tales he has told us of Christians being starved to death because of their faith was false.
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After Church Crowd at Restaurants
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I guess I'll tell the friend of ours who is a missionary that he lied. Thanks for letting me know that he is a liar and the tales he has told us of Christians being starved to death because of their faith was false.
Are you saying, since I have a hard heart, am deaf and blind and that the Word of God has no effect on me that I am unsaved? It sure reads that way.
freeatlast
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I am saying what the bible says and I believe the bible. Just because you do not believe it does not make it incorrect.
There is no command to tip. and like I said if you are so spiritually minded about how much or of another brother or sister gives then give in their place after they leave.
freeatlast
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Ann as usual you make false statements. The passage is dealing with how God provides for his children. It is not about when someone murders them. You are sooo liberal and confused.
freeatlast
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Ann you have a system of reading everything including the bible the way it fits your liberal agenda.
Yep, I've been one for a long time, apparently!! I can't remember just why I've been liberal in the past but because I have seen evidence of believers starving to death, I'm a liberal again. I guess liberal really means "disagreeing with FAL"?
Ann, welcome to the club. Remember for some on the BB you are a liberal if they do not agree with your completely on everything ... and if you do not agree with them completely on everything.
On the tipping. There are restaurants that do not pay their waiters and/or waitresses anything. Those folk have to live on their tips. Also, there are restaurants where the service people have to divide all tips and these are shared equally. And, there are restaurants where the cooks, bus boys/girls, dishwashers get a cut of all tips.
Being a waiter or waitress is a hard job and keeping a smile on the face when confronted by rude people makes it tougher.
"Do unto others are you would want them to do undo you." {Some famous fellow said that.}
So God is thwarted by man? Man can override God's "rules"? Interesting.
Thousand Hills
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Sorry, meant to say that we split a meal. Not the ticket. Our finances are combined.
Maybe my perspective is different because we don't have kids. I can imagine a mess a youngster could make. Before we leave we always stack up the plates and pick up any napkins so the table will be easy to clean. We usually know what we are going to get when we go, and the waitress doesn't have to come back to the table 3 or 4 times. We are not demanding. Trust me, I don't want them to spend any more time then necessary at my table, and 15 minutes is probably right if that. If the service is horrible, we don't pitch a fit, just make it a point not to eat at that restaurant again.
I felt it was implied by several posters, but nevertheless your point is taken
The passage says nothing about why they were or were not begging for bread...whether though normal economics or through malice. The passage doesn't say, so we should not add meaning to God's word when God did not specify.
But just because she's not at your table doesn't mean she's not serving you. She is in the kitchen making sure they know what you want for your meal. She is filling cups for your drinks. She is putting the finishing touches on the plate to be sure it is acceptable. She makes sure you have additional beverage - meaning she must go back to the beverage center to get more. She thinks about what you might need while she walks by and anticipates what else is needed to be done to be sure that your meal is pleasant. It's not just the times you see her face.
For those of you who are willing to sift through some obvious liberal bias, I recomend the book "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America" by Barbara Ehrenreich.
If nothing else it gives a glimpse into the lives of some wait staff and other low-wage jobs that many people just don't think about. With the stuff some servers have to go through, they deserve a decent return for their service. We can all wish restaurants paid them better, but since they don't, an extra dollar on the tip is not going to break our backs.
If nothing else it gives a glimpse into the lives of some wait staff and other low-wage jobs that many people just don't think about. With the stuff some servers have to go through, they deserve a decent return for their service. We can all wish restaurants paid them better, but since they don't, an extra dollar on the tip is not going to break our backs.
humblethinker
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Mandym, Do you know this video to be real? It looks like it's an acted set. No problem with that though, I think it makes the point. I'm sure worse than this 'actually' happens out there but the video itself is hard for me to relate to knowing (at least thinking) that it is not an actual 'surveilance'. It seems less of an example and more of a portrayal. Actual video footage would be much more effective to me.
Regarding the OP, I've had a christian friend that managed a few restaurants (chilli's, TGIFridays) tell me that Sundays are the worst days to work for his wait staff. This is so sad. It confirms to me that most people don't have a problem with God and church but with church people.
In many European countries, the tip is added to the restaurant bill - click here for list
and on tipping in the US - do you tip your taxi driver?
how about other service providers....
and on tipping in the US - do you tip your taxi driver?
how about other service providers....
humblethinker
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Yes, confusion on these kinds of things drives me crazy! Just when I think I'm informed along comes some person with a strongly held opinion!
Seriously, context matters. I know of some missionaries in a poor country who at first didn't want to have any servants/household staff because they thought it would be seen as snobbish...but the exact opposite was true! The people there insisted that they hire several household staff because even the little the missionaries could pay them was far more than they would get being unemployed. It would be seen as very selfish not to hire 4-5 servants if you had the means to do so. That's 4-5 families being fed!
Agreed. Even 20% of a $20.00 check is only 4 bucks. On a $35 check, we usually leave $8 to $10. We are repeat customers to several restaurants and probably known as Christians as well as good tippers, so that helps with getting great service. If a Christian looks at the restaurants as a mission field where servers are people with individual needs as well as spiritual needs, it changes one's perspective on the tips. That server taking your order may not know Jesus. That server may know Jesus but has to cover that shift instead of being in worship. We have left a tip of $75.00 once on a $35. meal to a young man (server) who professed to be a Christian and had been sick the week before and was worried about his rent. Extravagant? Maybe. But maybe it took some pressure off of that young man and helped him get through the rest of the day knowing it was a gift from Jesus through us. I believe God blesses us financially so that we can bless others and that doesn't always mean just putting it in the offering plate, but living out our Christianity in our daily lives, blessing others along the way. People may never remember a word we say about Christ, but they will remember how we treated them in His name when we professed to belong to Him. I don't want to be remembered as a stingy Christian or a CINO (Christian in name only). Some of you may disagree with me about tipping, but that's okay, that's just MHO.
Most of us never use a taxi.
freeatlast
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Only in your mind.
No - only in yours. If God says that He will never allow one of His children to go hungry, even man deciding to starve someone won't make them starve.
God didn't want the three in the furnace to die - and they didn't. Man's doings didn't thwart God's will.
and your point?
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