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AI--What do you think?

Ascetic X

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John of Japan said:
The intellectual laziness is the problems. Most students tend toward this, and our job as educators is to get them past that, and make them into critical thinkers. My fear is that as AI becomes more and more powerful and omnipresent, our young people will be more and more dependent on it, and less and less thinkers.

Another skill that will be lost is writing ability. I'm already seeing this in the current crop of students. Writing ability has severely decreased, so that we have to have a training time for the freshmen in order to teach them how to write! I have several students (in various classes) that actually seem afraid even to try to write a research paper, so they don't do one. I am now requiring a research paper as a requirement for passing the course!
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On a local social media platform, most posts are loaded with typos, dysgraphia, cacography, malapropisms, asyndeton, pseudo-portmanteaus, spoonerisms, gaffes, chernomyrdinisms, acyrologia, dogberryism, scriptio continua (no punctuation), enjambment, prolixity, jargon jangling, garrulity, misaligned ebullience, mondegreens, volubility, mediaballs, chiasm crisscrossing, frisson reactivity, catachresis, eggcorn, periphrasis, etc., with no attempt to edit the content.

It’s egregiously atrocious. I’ve been seeing more typos on news sites and other online venues all of a sudden. As a professional writer, this gets my dismayed attention.
 
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Ascetic X said:
Elon Musk has stated the AI modules will replace cell phones in a few years. He predicts that all information and news will come from AI transmitter sending it to your AI receiver.

If AI starts generating sermons, the independent human and Holy Spirit elements will no longer be in force.
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It is already here. I just got access through LU for Logos, and it has an AI assisted sermon builder.

While I hate it (I work in IT, so I know more about what goes into it than most), I say that the pull of using AI for sermon prep, or for completely writing sermons will be irresistible. Just like whenever there is a big Bible or pastor's conference, one of the messages preached there subsequently gets preached in 100's if not 1,000's of churches, sometimes almost verbatim. There are several reasons this may be done:
- a lack of confidence (sometimes justified, sometimes not) in the individual's ability to put together as good a sermon
- a lack of time for sermon prep leading to shortcuts (I've felt this personally before as a bi-vocational pastor)
- a lack of understanding the personal benefit of traditional sermon preparation

What concerns me more than the availability and use of AI sermon-prep, is that it most likely will become part of seminary education, training future pastors to rely on AI rather than personal study.
 
John of Japan

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Ascetic X said:
On a local social media platform, most posts are loaded with typos, dysgraphia, cacography, malapropisms, asyndeton, pseudo-portmanteaus, spoonerisms, gaffes, chernomyrdinisms, acyrologia, dogberryism, scriptio continua (no punctuation), enjambment, prolixity, jargon jangling, garrulity, misaligned ebullience, mondegreens, volubility, mediaballs, chiasm crisscrossing, frisson reactivity, catachresis, eggcorn, periphrasis, etc., with no attempt to edit the content.
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Impressive list! Unimpressive Internet.

My students are mostly homeschooled. They make some of these errors, but mostly they write run-on sentences, don't know how to divide a paragraph, and that kind of error. They do pretty well at some of these others.
Ascetic X said:
It’s egregiously atrocious. I’ve been seeing more typos on news sites and other online venues all of a sudden. As a professional writer, this gets my dismayed attention.
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Very true! Even supposed pro writers on prestigious websites make many mistakes. I shudder to read some of the stuff out there.

I'm an academic, not a professional writer, but have had several books published. What do you write?
 
Ascetic X

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Robotics = eliminating (need for) human labor. AI = eliminating (need for) human thinking.

What happens when no humans are necessary for anything and are thus deleted from existence? What would the machine world then desire and do? Set up operations on other planets and moons? Replace the natural universe with a vast artificial structure that has no other goal than self-perpetuation?
 
Ascetic X

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John of Japan said:
Impressive list! Unimpressive Internet.

My students are mostly homeschooled. They make some of these errors, but mostly they write run-on sentences, don't know how to divide a paragraph, and that kind of error. They do pretty well at some of these others.

Very true! Even supposed pro writers on prestigious websites make many mistakes. I shudder to read some of the stuff out there.

I'm an academic, not a professional writer, but have had several books published. What do you write?
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One of my pet peeves is long paragraphs and dense blocks of text. Extremely long text is super easy to read when broken into short paragraphs.

I write marketing and SEO (evident in my list of miscommunicative terms), short stories, micro-sci-fi, and I published a book on the history of bicycle technology.
 
Ascetic X

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atpollard said:
Yeah, what’s with Charles Dickens!
Samuel Clemens proved that short vernacular paragraphs will git ‘er done.
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I used to love Mark Twain very much, one of my favorite authors along with Kafka, until I read Mark Twain’s bizarre Letters From the Earth, in which he stated some of the most horrifically blasphemous things I have ever seen, extreme hatred of Jesus, I was shocked and repulsed.

Dickens, I also liked, plus Marcel Proust whose prose flowed like relentless rivers on and on verbosely. Same with Maurice Blanchot.

But in marketing and social media, short paragraphs are incredibly easy to process.
 
Deacon

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John of Japan said:
AI is in the process of changing our world. We are requiring our students to state at the end of their research papers that they have not used AI.

At this point, AI makes many mistakes and I would not trust it to do a research paper very well anyway! It is not only error filled, it is deceptive, commits plagiarism often, has been known to slander and lie about people (cases in the courts right now), etc.

What do you think the future holds in this area?
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Re: 'requiring students to state they have not used AI'

That's much too broad a requirement!
It cuts out using Logos Bible Software, which has integrated AI into their program.

A couple articles:

Logos Bible Software and AI: Understanding the New Frontier in Bible Study [LINK]​

Faithlife, the makers of Logos Bible Software, has embraced this shift, integrating AI capabilities designed to enhance research, sermon preparation, and overall engagement with theological resources.

Using AI Tools for Smarter Bible Study (from FaithLife) [LINK]
Even if you are experienced in studying the Bible, and experienced in using Logos tools and capabilities to enhance that, have you wondered whether the AI Tools in Logos can augment and extend what you are able to do? Maybe to find some additional insight or to discover books in your library that have something significant to say about the passage you are studying?
In this article, we'll work through an example, centered around 1 John 1, to see some of the added value that Logos AI Tools can bring to Bible Study.

Rob

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John of Japan

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Deacon said:
Re: 'requiring students to state they have not used AI'

That's much too broad a requirement!
It cuts out using Logos Bible Software, which has integrated AI into their program.
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Thank you for the input. The actual statement they have to sign is more clear. I didn't want to put the whole thing here, since it is an inhouse matter.
Deacon said:
A couple articles:

Logos Bible Software and AI: Understanding the New Frontier in Bible Study [LINK]​

Faithlife, the makers of Logos Bible Software, has embraced this shift, integrating AI capabilities designed to enhance research, sermon preparation, and overall engagement with theological resources.

Using AI Tools for Smarter Bible Study (from FaithLife) [LINK]
Even if you are experienced in studying the Bible, and experienced in using Logos tools and capabilities to enhance that, have you wondered whether the AI Tools in Logos can augment and extend what you are able to do? Maybe to find some additional insight or to discover books in your library that have something significant to say about the passage you are studying?
In this article, we'll work through an example, centered around 1 John 1, to see some of the added value that Logos AI Tools can bring to Bible Study.

Rob
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Thank you. Very interesting. I did not know this.
 
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John of Japan said:
Thank you for the input. The actual statement they have to sign is more clear. I didn't want to put the whole thing here, since it is an inhouse matter.

Thank you. Very interesting. I did not know this.
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Guess that AI can do for us in studying the bible that the Holy Spirit is unable to do for us then
 
Scarlett O.

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Back in the day, when I taught reading, grammar, writing, and spelling in junior high school, we didn't have to worry about AI.

Mama and Daddy and Grandma wrote their essays and research papers! LOL! And that was across the board, in public, private, and Christian schools. Not all kids had parents who did their work, but enough to make things annoying.

What I used to do was to have them write a LOT at the first of the year in my class. Whether it was in my math, science, or American history class. That way, I had a folder of their own work to look at when they turned in a small research paper. It helped greatly.
 
Deacon

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Classic sci-fi constantly warns about the danger of AI.
One of the earliest examples that I can recall was a sci-fi trilogy called, Colossus.

Astimov touched on the theme in his Robots series, programing the three laws:
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Astimov works often played the idea of the soul of the entity.

2001, Space Odyssey had Hal. - who turned.

So many novels still deal with AI - and it’s eventual fall from grace.

Rob
 
KenH

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Seems like, with AI and data centers proliferating, we are hurtling toward an eventual showdown between humans versus machines. I’m not sure this planet is big enough for both.

I am convinced that it is only because God is sovereign over His creation that mankind has not already turned this earth into a smoldering heap.

This rapid AI advancement does sometimes make me wonder just how short the time may be before Christ Jesus returns and burns up this present heavens and earth and replaces it with the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness. (2 Peter 3:10-13)
 
John of Japan

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KenH said:
Seems like, with AI and data centers proliferating, we are hurtling toward an eventual showdown between humans versus machines. I’m not sure this planet is big enough for both.

I am convinced that it is only because God is sovereign over His creation that mankind has not already turned this earth into a smoldering heap.

This rapid AI advancement does sometimes make me wonder just how short the time may be before Christ Jesus returns and burns up this present heavens and earth and replaces it with the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness. (2 Peter 3:10-13)
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2030
AI: Human, this planet is not big enough for the both of us.
Human: Pulls computer plug out of the wall.
 
John of Japan

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Deacon said:
Classic sci-fi constantly warns about the danger of AI.
One of the earliest examples that I can recall was a sci-fi trilogy called, Colossus.

Astimov touched on the theme in his Robots series, programing the three laws:
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Astimov works often played the idea of the soul of the entity.

2001, Space Odyssey had Hal. - who turned.

So many novels still deal with AI - and it’s eventual fall from grace.

Rob
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I read a lot of Asimov's book when I was young. He was an excellent writer; too bad he was an atheist. Then there was his commentary on the whole Bible, which simply regurgitated old and debunked liberal ideas.
 
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