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Not_hard_to_find said:
What does being non-denominational have to do with this discussion?
Bob is a SDA and I'm an SBC yet neither of us hold that scripture state in ANY FORM that we are from another world brought down to this Planet of Apes (scientific meaning (sic)) millions of years ago.
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BobRyan said:
Dear Bob,
Doesn't matter what one thinks but what one can support with Scripture. The 1st Firmament, Heaven, or Universe (the world of Adam thru Noah) was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The 2nd and 3rd Heavens or Kosmos, were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-5
The 1st Universe was destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:5-7 The present Heaven or Universe will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 The 3rd Heaven is where Jesus is, physically. ll Corinthians 12:2
IOW, Scripture documents that there are 3 Heavens (universes) and you say you don't know about another World? Read ll Peter 3:5-7, and explain why God spoke of the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, which Perished. (Greek-Destroyed, Totally)
Tell us the fate of the Heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW, and explain where Christians will be when this happens. We both know that this World will be Burned, and you tell me Scripture does not speak of other Worlds?
John 14:
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are MANY MANSIONS: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Again, does anybody here have any Scripture -- even just one -- to sustain their objection to my post???
PS: I don't need traditional views which is not supported by the Scripture. Thanks
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Dear webdog,
The 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 It was formed in the midst or middle of the Water, and Water was above and below it. IOW, the 1st Heaven, was surrounded by water.
When God said to Noah that He will destroy the evil people WITH THE EARTH – you can rest assure that God destroyed them completely together with the earth -- when the "windows of heaven were opened. Gen. 7:11
Our world was made on the 3rd day and is surrounded by “star dust” and reserved for fire.
The 3rd heaven or universe is where Jesus had gone -- to prepare a place for us.
God Bless
The 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 It was formed in the midst or middle of the Water, and Water was above and below it. IOW, the 1st Heaven, was surrounded by water.
When God said to Noah that He will destroy the evil people WITH THE EARTH – you can rest assure that God destroyed them completely together with the earth -- when the "windows of heaven were opened. Gen. 7:11
Our world was made on the 3rd day and is surrounded by “star dust” and reserved for fire.
The 3rd heaven or universe is where Jesus had gone -- to prepare a place for us.
God Bless
Based on my understanding of the Scripture and historical data....
There were NO Humans, on this planet, until Noah arrived, which is confirmed by the fact that there are NO other Human Civilizations, older than Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat. This event took place some 10k years ago.
The prehistoric people (mankind), whose origin was in the water, were already here when Noah arrived, married his grandchildren and Human Civilization is the offspring - mighty men of old (just as it happened on the 1st earth).
Noah is the Link because he brought his children to this Earth, and Noah is the first Human to walk on this “Planet of Apes” (scientist term).
I do Not mean to imply that the ancient people (mankind), the sons of God, were any different than ourselves. They looked the same, could produce offspring with Humans, and were the pinnacle of evolutionary growth BUT they were Not Human.
The ancient people were INNOCENT beings because they did Not know good and evil, and they had Never built a City, wrote a book, or worked one math problem. The offspring of the union of the sons of God and the descendants of Adam brought Human Civilization and intelligence to this Planet of innocent animals..... we are the results.
Note: INCEST was never part of God's blessing in the multiplication process of Mankind.
God Bless
There were NO Humans, on this planet, until Noah arrived, which is confirmed by the fact that there are NO other Human Civilizations, older than Mesopotamia, just South of the mountains of Ararat. This event took place some 10k years ago.
The prehistoric people (mankind), whose origin was in the water, were already here when Noah arrived, married his grandchildren and Human Civilization is the offspring - mighty men of old (just as it happened on the 1st earth).
Noah is the Link because he brought his children to this Earth, and Noah is the first Human to walk on this “Planet of Apes” (scientist term).
I do Not mean to imply that the ancient people (mankind), the sons of God, were any different than ourselves. They looked the same, could produce offspring with Humans, and were the pinnacle of evolutionary growth BUT they were Not Human.
The ancient people were INNOCENT beings because they did Not know good and evil, and they had Never built a City, wrote a book, or worked one math problem. The offspring of the union of the sons of God and the descendants of Adam brought Human Civilization and intelligence to this Planet of innocent animals..... we are the results.
Note: INCEST was never part of God's blessing in the multiplication process of Mankind.
God Bless
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Allan said:
Yeah, but the poster who says we were is non-denominational. My opinion is that finding a denomination with those beliefs would be difficult.
Here's my own take based on the Scripture....
Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created from the water on Day 5. (including mankind)
Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo.
They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally made every Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5. The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus sqeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground.
The creatures made from the dust were compatible to those made from the water, and could produce offspring with the creatures from the water.
Of course the first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, and AFTER the mist/rain. Gen 2:4-7 This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.
Like the animals made from the dust, man also married and produced children with Beings made from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet.
We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.
God created every living creature that moveth, from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced His Kind from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day.
Today's arrogant "scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures made from the water, and those made from the dust. Only Jesus can tell us of His Kinds, which are identical with the Creatures made from the water on the 5th Day.
God Bless
Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was created from the water on Day 5. (including mankind)
Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust. Some people see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that God made a boo boo.
They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally made every Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5. The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust, on the 6th Day, is when YHWH or Jesus sqeezed, as a potter would mould clay, and formed living creatures from the dust of the ground.
The creatures made from the dust were compatible to those made from the water, and could produce offspring with the creatures from the water.
Of course the first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, and AFTER the mist/rain. Gen 2:4-7 This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.
Like the animals made from the dust, man also married and produced children with Beings made from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet.
We have the DNA of the sons of God (Prehistoric Mankind) and we also have the Human Intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human. Yes, we all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.
God created every living creature that moveth, from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced His Kind from the dust of the ground, on the 6th Day.
Today's arrogant "scientists" can't tell us the difference between those creatures made from the water, and those made from the dust. Only Jesus can tell us of His Kinds, which are identical with the Creatures made from the water on the 5th Day.
God Bless
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It may be your own take, but it's not based on scripture. Gen 1:21 does not say every creature was created from water. On the 5th day God created the sea creatures and the birds of the air.
Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Amy.G said:
Sorry, I forgot the words... "which the waters brought forth abundantly" -- including mankind (prehistoric being, Cro-Magnon etc...).
Genesis 1
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth ABUNDANTLY the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth ABUNDANTLY, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed THEM (pronoun), saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Who did you think God was talking to... when He blessed THEM (pronoun) saying be fruitful and, multiply?
Thanks
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saturneptune
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Baloney, there is nothing in the Bible that states there cannot be other life in the universe. Another Texe Marrs idea?Rufus_1611 said:
They could exist or not. There is nothing to prevent them from doing so, if it is Gods will. All we know is that if there is life out there, God created it. Questions about are they angels, demons, sinful, or even if they are, is pure speculation. As one person said, spend the time studying the Bible.
What irks me is the notion that some come up with that God says in the Bible, only life is here on earth. Utter nonsense.
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Amy.G said:
The world of Adam through Noah was located on the first heaven made on the 2nd. day Genesis 1:6-8 - where the garden of Eden were once used to be.
John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are MANY MANSIONS: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Thanks
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When Jesus made the creatures, -- including the prehistoric mankind -- He made them in various "kinds", His kinds. No one knows His classification system except He, Himself. Some theorize that the kinds could be creeping, walking, crawling, flying, etc. kinds.
Microevolution or descent with modification happens every time a baby is born. It is God's way of keeping "kinds" within their own "kinds". Micro assures that dogs remain dogs...they evolve or change...but within their own "kind".
Example: Cat's Family - A Lion (male) and a Tiger (female) producing a Giant "LIGER". See link (scroll all the way down).
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/ligers.html
See, it really amazing how the discovery of Science Today support the TRUTH of the Bible written many centuries ago -- the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) producing GIANT offsprings - Mighty Men of old, men renown - AFTER their union with the Daughters of Men (human), as documented in Genesis 6!!!
Prehistoric mankind changed to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. This event took place some 10,000 + - years ago, and History agrees with Scripture. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us.
The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity on this planet was inherited from Noah, a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human.
Just as it happened on the 1st earth with Cain -- Noah's grandsons simply married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric mankind) and produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History on this "Planet of Apes" (scientist term).
God Bless
Microevolution or descent with modification happens every time a baby is born. It is God's way of keeping "kinds" within their own "kinds". Micro assures that dogs remain dogs...they evolve or change...but within their own "kind".
Example: Cat's Family - A Lion (male) and a Tiger (female) producing a Giant "LIGER". See link (scroll all the way down).
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/ligers.html
See, it really amazing how the discovery of Science Today support the TRUTH of the Bible written many centuries ago -- the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) producing GIANT offsprings - Mighty Men of old, men renown - AFTER their union with the Daughters of Men (human), as documented in Genesis 6!!!
Prehistoric mankind changed to Human just AFTER Noah arrived on this Planet. This event took place some 10,000 + - years ago, and History agrees with Scripture. Civilization was born just South of the Mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us.
The reason there is No evidence of Human Civilization before Mesopotamia, is that Humanity on this planet was inherited from Noah, a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human.
Just as it happened on the 1st earth with Cain -- Noah's grandsons simply married the descendants of the sons of God (Prehistoric mankind) and produced those with the intelligence necessary to WRITE their own History on this "Planet of Apes" (scientist term).
God Bless
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It is believed by some that the Bible simply records the line of salvation through the Old Testament.......Israel,,,,,,,,,then in the NT through the church,,the new Israel. It does not record the whole of creation, which may have included other humankind outside of Israel per se...........It make sense, tied in with secular history and science.
Cheers,
Jim
Cheers,
Jim
BobRyan
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4Pillars said:
If by "pre-historic" you mean "pre-recorded history by eye witnesses" then anything pre-flood is "pre-historic" and the marriages in Genesis 6 "all of which are pre-flood" are "pre-historic" with the women AND the men ALL being "pre-historic".
Adam as fully human - fully earth born - and as "early" as you might hope to find in all of history. The same is true of Eve. And their grandchildren (for about 7 generations) were those we see in marrying in Genesis 6. Then a small few of that SAME GROUP (8 to be exact) comes over to the post-flood age.
At least that is what God's eye-witness account states. I am not aware of any other eye-witness records for it.
When "the fountains of the deep were broken" at the flood - that civilization was lost according to 2Peter 3 and Gen 7. Same earth - but "lost civilization".
Instead of this being "a planet of apes" as atheist darwinism would view it -- it is the Planet of God - one of the Worlds God made - forming mankind IN the beginning "IN HIS OWN image".
in Christ,
Bob
BobRyan
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4Pillars said:
"God blessed THEM" Adam AND Eve.
Is it your position that "The image of God is Cro-Magnon"?
If so - then in 1John 3 when we find John saying "We do not know what we WILL be like but we know that we will BE LIKE HIM for we shall SEE Him AS He is" -- you must be thinking that we finally get back to our true "Cro-Magnon" selves so that we can once again be "In the IMAGE" of our Cro-Magnon originator.
However - scripture never argues for such a cro-magnon start for mankind.
In Christ,
Bob
BobRyan said:
Dear Bob,
The continuing discussion is based on Genesis 1:21-23 – the blessing -- which happened on the 5th day of creation – and has nothing to do with creation of Adam & Eve on the 6th day.
Do you have any idea who God blessed (Gen.1:22) -- instructing THEM (pronoun) to be fruitful and multiply -- on the 5th day?
BTW, in case you did not know Bob..... God is a Spirit -- without any physical shape or form as you described above -- using the Cro-Magnon as your example.
The invisible Almighty God is only manifested thru his Son (YHWH /Jesus), the first born of every creature. To be created in the image and likeness of God is to be created spiritually or being "born again" in the spirit of Christ.
Glad to be of help, Bob.
God Bless
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