Singer replied, where I last said:
Singer, Jesus is God, not Peter! It is Jesus' church, not Peters! But Jesus does put Peter in
charge of it! It is that simple!
Peter is dead and he left no successors. Papal leadership was not a creation of Jesus.
Just for you, Singer:
THE SUCCESSION OF POPES
St. Peter (?- 67) THE APOSTLE
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (76-88)
St. Clement (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125)
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus (217-222)
St. Urban (222-230)
St. Pontain (230-235)
St. Anterus (235-236)
St. Fabian (236-250)
St. Cornelius (251-253)
St. Lucius I (253-254)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (259-268)
St. Felix (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296)
St. Marcellinus (296-304)
St. Marcellus I (308-309)
St. Eusebius (309?-310?)
St. Meltiades (311-314)
St. Sylvester I (314-335)
St. Marcus (336-336)
St. Julius I (337-352)
Liberius (352-366)
St. Damasus I (366-384)
St. Siricius (384-399)
St. Anastasius I (399-401)
St. Innocent I (401-417)
St. Zozimus (417-418)
St. Boniface I (418-422)
St. Celestine I (422-432)
St. Sixtus III (432-440)
St. Leo I (440-461)
St. Hilary (461_468)
St. Simplocius (468-483)
St. Felix III (II)(483-492)
St. Gelasius I (492-496)
St. Anastasius II (496-498)
St. Symmachus (498-514)
St. Hormisdas (514-523)
St. John I (523-526)
St. Felix IV (III)(526-530)
Boniface II (530-532)
John II (533-535)
St. Agapitus I (535-536)
St. Silverius (536-537)
Vigilius (537-555)
Pelagius (556-561)
John III (561-574)
Benedict I (575-579)
Pelagius II (579-590)
St. Gregory (590-604)
Sabinianus (604-606)
Boniface III (607-607)
St. Boniface IV (608-615)
St. Deusdedit(Adeodatus I) (615-618)
Boniface V (619-625)
Honorius I (625-638)
Severinus (640-640)
John IV (640-642)
Theodore I (642-649)
St. Martin I (649-655)
St. Eugene I (654-657)
St. Vitalian (657-672)
Adeodatus II (672-676
Donus (676-768)
St. Agatho (678-681)
St. Leo II (682-683)
St. Benedict II (684-685)
John V (685-686)
Conon (686-687)
St. Sergius I (687-701)
John VI (701-705)
John II (705-707)
Sisinnius (708-708)
Constantine (708-715)
St. Gregory II (715-731)
St. Gregory III (731-741)
St. Zachary (741-752)
St. Stephen II (752-752)
Stephen II (III)(752-757)
St. Paul I (757-767)
Stephen III(IV)(768-772)
Adrian I (772-795)
St. Leo III (795-816)
Stephen IV(V)(816-817)
St. Paschal I (817-824)
Eugene II (824-827)
Valentine (827-827)
Gregory IV (827-844)
Sergius II (844-847)
St. Leo IV (847-855)
Benedict III (855-858)
St. Nicholas I (858-867)
Adrian II (867-872)
John VIII (872-882)
Marinus I (882-884)
St. Adrian III (884-885)
Stephen V(VI)(885_891)
Formosus (891-896)
Boniface VI (896-896)
Stephen VI(VII)(896-897)
Romanus (897-897)
Theodore II (897-897)
John IX (898-900)
Benedict IV (900-903)
Leo V (903-903)
Sergius III (904-911)
Anastasius III (911-913)
Landus (913-914)
John X (914-928)
Leo VI (928-928)
Stephen VII(VIII)(928-931)
John XI (931-935)
Leo VII (936-939)
Stephen VIII(IX)(939-942)
Marinus II (942-946)
Agapitus II (946-955)
John XII (955-964)
Leo VIII (963-965)
Benedict V (964-966)
John XIII (965-972)
Benedict VI (973-974)
Benedict VII (974-983)
John XIV (983-984)
John XV (985-996)
Gregory V (996-999)
Sylvester II (999-1003)
John XVII (1003-1003)
John XVIII (1004-1009)
Sergois IV (1009-1012)
Benedict VIII (1012-1024)
John XIX (1024-1032)
Benedict IX (1032-1044)
Sylvester III (1045-1045)
Benedict IX (1045-1045)
Gregory (1045-1046)
Clement II (1046-1047)
Benedict IX (1047-1048)
Damasus II (1048-1048)
St. Leo IX (1049-1054)
Victor II (1055-1057)
Stephen IX(X)(1057-1058)
Nicholas II (1059-1061)
Alexander II (1061-1073)
St. Gregory VII (1073-1085)
Bl. Victor III (1086-1087)
Bl. Urban II (1088-1099)
Paschal II (1099-1118)
Gelasius II (1118-1119)
Callistus II (1119-1124)
Honorius II (1124-1130)
Innocent II (1130-1143)
Celestine II (1143-1144)
Lucius II (1144-1145)
Bl. Eugene III (1145-1153)
Anastasius IV (1153-1154)
Adrian IV (1154-1159)
Alexander III (1159-1181)
Lucius III (1181-1185)
Urban III (1185-1187)
Gregory VIII (1187-1187)
Clement III (1187-1191)
Celestine III (1191-1198)
Innocent III (1198-1216)
Honorius III (1216-1227)
Gregory IX (1227-1241)
Celestine IV (1241-1241)
Innocent IV (1243-1254)
Alexander IV (1254-1261)
Urban IV (1261-1264)
Clement IV (1265-1268)
Bl. Gregory X (1271-1276)
Bl. Innocent V (1276-1276)
Adrian V (1276-1276)
John XXI (1276-1277)
Nicholas III (1277-1280)
Martin IV (1281-1285)
Honorius IV (1285-1287)
Nicholas IV (1288-1292)
St. Celestine V (1294-1294)
Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
Bl. Benedict XI (1303-1304)
Clement V (1305-1314)
John XXII (1316-1334)
Benedict XII (1334-1342)
Clement VI (1342-1352)
Innocent VI (1352-1362)
Bl. Urban V (1392-1370)
Gregory XI (1370-1378)
Urban VI (1378-1389)
Boniface IX (1389-1404)
Innocent VII (1404-1406)
Gregory XII (1406-1415)
Martin V (1417-1431)
Eugene IV (1431-1447)
Nicholas V (1447-1455)
Callestus III (1455-1458)
Pius II (1458-1464)
Paul II (1464-1471)
Sixtus IV (1471-1484)
Innocent VIII (1484-1492)
Alexander VI (1492-1503)
Pius III (1503-1503)
Julius II (1503-1513)
Leo X (1513-1521)
Adrian VI (1522-1523)
Clement VII (1523-1534)
Paul III (1534-1549)
Julius III (1550-1555)
Marcellus II (1555-1555)
Paul IV (1555-1559)
Pius IV (1559-1565)
St. Pius V (1566-1572)
Gregory XIII (1572-1585)
Sixtus V (1585-1590)
Urban VII (1590-1590)
Gregory XIV (1590-1591)
Innocent IX (1591-1591)
Clement VIII (1592-1605)
Leo XI (1605-1605)
Paul V (1605-1621)
Gregory XV (1621-1623)
Urban VIII (1623-1644)
Innocent X (1644-1655)
Alexander VII (1655-1667)
Clement IX (1667-1669)
Clement X (1670-1676)
Bl. Innocent XI (1676-1689)
Alexander VIII (1689-1691)
Innocent XII (1691-1700)
Clement XI (1700-1721)
Innocent XIII (1721-1724)
Benedict XIII (1724-1730)
Clement XII (1730-1740)
Benedict XIV (1740-1758)
Clement XIII (1758-1769)
Clement XIV (1769-1774)
Pius VI (1775-1799)
Pius VII (1800-1823)
Leo XII (1823-1829)
Pius VIII (1829-1830)
Gregory XVI (1831-1846)
Pius IX (1846-1878)
Leo XIII (1878-1903)
St. Pius X (1903-1914)
Benedict XV (1914-1922)
Pius XI (1922-1939)
Pius XII (1939-1958)
John XXIII (1958-1963)
Paul VI (1963-1978)
John Paul I (1978-1978)
John Paul II (1978-present)
Jesus Christ says to Peter.........
I will entrust to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven.
Whatever you declare bound on earth shall be bound in heaven;
whatsoever you declare loosed on earth, shall be loosed in
heaven] Matthew, chapter 16 verse 19
No matter what Jesus does with Simon now called Peter, Jesus is always in charge!
Nothing changes in that regard as Jesus sits on His throne in heaven!
Good man, WP. That's what I've been trying to tell you. (Peter doesn't matter).
<SIGH!> Peter does indeed, matter, if indeed, Jesus does what we see Him doing in Matthew 16:18-19!
Good heavens, Singer! I still think you need to find those scissors and start cutting! That way, you can have a bible "your way!"
No man cometh to the Father but by Who, Paxman? Jesus or Peter ?
Show me where it says "No man cometh to the Father but by Me via Peter".
Singer, Jesus is the man! He died on the cross for all of us! He is the Son of God, the Messiah!
That does not mean that Peter drops to zero in importance, because if you do, then you might as well discount all the rest of the apostles, especially those who participated in the writings of the New Testament, which, if you do what you do in that case, throw out the New Testament as it is no longer important as well!
And here we go with a question I sure would like Singer to step up to the plate and answer forthrightly:
But you avoid my question: Were their other Christian denominations that you can identify
in history that existed from Pentecost to about 1500 years later? Give it a shot, Singer,
and let's see you do it....
Good point..Jesus didn't give names to any of them did he?
Good point what, Singer? Go to any source you may choose to use and name those competing Christian communities that stood apart from the original church as Christ founded. Place then alongside time line of the only church you can find that can trace her history back to Christ Himself - The Catholic Church.
I thought you were going to do it, but you disappoint me, Singer. you avoided answering my question!
Tell me what denomination those present at Pentecost were.
He also seeks out sheep that is not of His fold that He would add them to His own fold
(can you find that in scripture?)
His fold could not have been Catholicism because He never named those who believed.
What are their names, Singer? Name them! Show me the historical account of those Christian communities that existed parallel to Catholicism for the first 15 hundred years.
I "wrongfully" presume? How am I wrong, Singer? Do some legwork and prove me wrong if
you can.
Prove me wrong Paxman... without referring to Catholic doctrine. Bible only.
I'll even give you the advantage of using the adjective "catholic" in your efforts.
No you don't Singer! I will do nothing of the kind until you are forthright in replying to my many questions in this thread alone!
Hey, I'm going to go pick mushrooms along the river in the sunshine with the birds
singing and the quietness of His Spirit. Praise the Lord for the beauty of the earth.
Thank you Jesus !!
Hummmmmmmmm, are you picking the right mushrooms, Singer?
God bless,
PAX
Bill+†+
Pillar and Foundation of Truth, the Church. (1 Tim 3:15)