An Amillennial Timeline leading up to the end

[Revmitchell]

Sigh....what do you believe is meant by flesh and blood will not inherit the Kingdom? Just quoting a verse tells me nothing about how you understand it. I want to hear from you not the verse.

 

[1689Dave]

Sigh....what do you believe is meant by flesh and blood will not inherit the Kingdom? Just quoting a verse tells me nothing about how you understand it. I want to hear from you not the verse.

Human bodies cannot inherit the kingdom without being spiritually transformed into glorified resurrection bodies.

 

[loDebar]

There are specific events that will occur in the Great Tribulation that have not occurred.

 

[1689Dave]

There are specific events that will occur in the Great Tribulation that have not occurred.

The great tribulation happened in 70 AD.

 

[Revmitchell]

Human bodies cannot inherit the kingdom without being spiritually transformed into glorified resurrection bodies.

So I thought. Bub that is not what that means. I suggest you go and do a lot of studying on this issue.Just trying to help you out here and I am saying this as kindly as I can. You probably do not want to repeat that statement again.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

The great tribulation happened in 70 AD.

When did/does the marriage supper of the lamb occur?

 

[loDebar]

The great tribulation happened in 70 AD.

They have not happened yet, like the two witness beheaded and lie in Jerusalem streets while the nations send gifts to each other to celebrate.

Or Babylon like city destroyed

 

[1689Dave]

They have not happened yet, like the two witness beheaded and lie in Jerusalem streets while the nations send gifts to each other to celebrate.

Or Babylon like city destroyed

There are two mentions of tribulation in Matthew 24. The great Tribulation that fell on the Jews in the destruction of Jerusalem. And the tribulation that befalls believers between the first and second coming of Christ. Plus, Revelation is a book of symbols. If you look for the symbol to appear, you will never see it. If you look for what the symbol represents, you can see the events unfolding since the first century.

 

[1689Dave]

When did/does the marriage supper of the lamb occur?

The marriage supper of the Lamb

The fellowship with God conveyed by the old sacrificial system has been superseded by the fellowship experienced in the Lord’s Supper. This meal both brings believers into closer fellowship with God in this world, and anticipates a greater sacred meal, the marriage supper of the Lamb. This feast, at the end of the age, will be an occasion of great rejoicing when ‘many will come from the east and west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven’ (Matt. 8:11; cf. Matt. 22:1–14; Luke 14:15–24). Indeed, such will be the intimacy of the fellowship enjoyed between Christ and all believers that the feast is described as a marriage banquet (Matt. 22:1–14; Rev. 19:9; cf. Eph. 5:25–27).


McFall, L. (2000). Sacred Meals. In T. D. Alexander & B. S. Rosner (Eds.), New dictionary of biblical theology (electronic ed., p. 753). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

 

[1689Dave]

So I thought. Bub that is not what that means. I suggest you go and do a lot of studying on this issue.Just trying to help you out here and I am saying this as kindly as I can. You probably do not want to repeat that statement again.

Flesh and blood can only mean one thing. If it cannot inherit the kingdom unless glorified and changed as Paul says. This leaves only glorified resurrected saints in the "millennium" (if there ever would be one), for Satan to deceive and use to attack each other when loosed (per Revelation 20).

 

[robycop3]

There is no temporary physical kingdom planned for this world. The kingdom arrived with Jesus at his first coming Luke 11:20. It is spiritual Luke 17:21, and flesh and blood cannot inherit it 1 Corinthians 15:50. It is a kingdom only the born again can see John 3:3. It is a kingdom of faith and cannot be a kingdom of sight 2 Corinthians 5:7 as millennial theories claim Luke 17:20.

Once again, the preterism falsehood rears its ugly head. Jesus plainly said He will return & rule the world for 1K years from Jerusalem before stepping aside for His Father. (Matt. 24:29-30, Rev. 19:15)

The great Tribulation was Jewish only

MMRRPP! WRONG!
Scripture plainly says it'll be worldwide, & JESUS said if it weren't cut short, NO flesh(man or animal) would survive.

and happened as foretold by Jesus in 70 AD.

MMRRPP! WRONG AGAIN !
IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET! The destruction of J & the temple were NOT the trib. That was part of the "days of vengeance" Jesus prophesied against that generation of Jews for the murders of the righteous, from Abel up to that time. Jesus said the trib would be the worst catastrophes to ever hit mankind, & there have been many worse events than the 70 AD destruction.

By destroying the temple and Jerusalem Matthew 24:ff. Jesus told his disciples, “when you see” all of this, spoken in the second person plural, meaning those in his present audience, leave Jerusalem. This they did according to history.

There were some eight months between the two Roman sieges of J. No one had to leave immediately, as Jesus warned. That event is still future.

Tribulation is the normal lot of all Christians between the first and Second Advent Acts 14:22.

But again, the GREAT trib hasn't yet happened!

Nothing remains unfulfilled before Christ returns*. It will be as in Noah’s day, much like today where people marry and are given in marriage Matthew 24:36–39.

MMRRPP ! WRONG YET AGAIN!
Then, please tell us, who was the "beast/antichrist"? Who was his sidekick, the false prophet of Rev. 13, What did the marka the beast look like? When were they cast alive into the lake of fire? And, most-importantly of all, when did JESUS return in great power & glory, seen by all, as He said He'd be?

On the last day Christ returns followed by the resurrection of the Just John 6:39. Followed by the Rapture 1 Corinthians 15:51–53. Accompanied by the resurrection of the damned and their judgment John 5:29. Accompanied by the destruction of the universe by fire, followed by the creation of the New Heavens and Earth 2 Peter 3:10–13. Where believers of all-time meet and live in the house of the Lord forever Psalm 23:6.

*Many look for the symbols of Revelation to literally appear in the future. But if we look for what the symbols represent, we can see Revelation’s predictions fulfilled time and again throughout history.

You musta been reading Mad Magazine's history of the world. NONE of the eschatological events have happened yet! I have Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's Encyclopedia, & World Book Encyclopedia before me, as well as eleven English Bible versions, & none of those prophesied eschatological events are found in any of them as having already occurred.

I highly-recommend you toss the pret garbage of Preston, Gentry, DelMar, Sproul, or whomever else's pret garbage you've been reading & study SCRIPTURE, HISTORY, & REality a good deal more!

 

[robycop3]

I found this on another Christian forum and I was curious as to how you might respond:


Christ will come back once and only once. The rapture belief has him coming back in "secret" for the Christians and then coming back again. This is wrong and very unbiblical.

1 Thess. 4:17 - Paul writes that "we will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." Many Protestants call this experience the "rapture." This theory says that Christ will take the faithful up to heaven before the final coming.

John 14:3; 1 Cor. 15:52 - these are other passages that Protestants use to support the rapture experience. The problem with the rapture theory is that is assumes three comings of Christ. This is contrary to Scripture and has never been taught by the Church.

Heb. 9:24 - instead, the Scriptures are clear that "Christ will appear only a second time, when he comes in glory to save us." See also Rev. 19:11-16. The Scriptures only reveal two comings of Christ.

2 Thess. 2:1-4 - concerning the coming of the Lord, there will be a time of great trouble. As part of their rapture theory, Protestants call this period the "tribulation."

1 Thess. 4:17; 2 Thess. 2:1-4 - the question is when the rapture will occur. Will it occur before (pre), during (mid) or after (post) the tribulation?

Rev. 20:2-3; 7 - these verses refer to the thousand year period where satan is bound and Christ reigns. Protestants often called this period the "millennium." However, the "thousand" year period only means a very long time. It, like much of apocalyptic literature, is not to be taken literally.

Psalm 50:10 - for example, we see the cattle on a "thousand hills." The word "thousand" here obviously means a very long time. It cannot be taken literally. This is the same with the "thousand" used in the Apocalypse.

Dan. 7:10 - a "thousand thousands" served him. Again, "thousand" means a very long time. It is not to be taken literally.

2 Peter 3:8 - with God one day is a "thousand" years and a "thousand" years is one day. "Thousand" is symbolic for a long time.

Matt. 16:27; 25:31-46 - the fact that there is immediate punishment rejects the premillenialism idea of a 1,000 year span between the second coming of Christ and the final judgment.

Matt. 24:24-31; Mark. 13:24-27; 2 Thess. 2:1-12 - these verses reject the premillenialism and mid-tribulation view because the rapture and the tribulation occur together.

Matt. 13:24-30; 36-43 - the wheat and weeds parable rejects the postmillenialism idea that the world will be Christianized before the end of time.

Rev. 20:4 - this verse shows the millennium is the period of Christ's current reign with His saints in heaven and His rule through the Church. This view, which Protestants call "amillenialism," is consistent with the Catholic view. The rapture and the second coming will occur after Christ's reign and the end of the Church Militant on earth. There is thus no "rapture" that precedes the second coming of Jesus.

Rev. 20:3; Matt. 12:29-30 - satan is currently bound during this millennium insofar as he cannot prevent the spreading of the Gospel.

Luke 10:17-18 - after the elders preached the Gospel, Jesus said He saw satan fall like lightning. Thus, satan is currently bound and cannot prevent us from evangelizing the world.

2 Peter 3:10-15 - in the meantime, we wait for the Lord's coming with zeal, avoiding sin, and being at peace, in the hope of our salvation.

Just one little disagreement - when Satan fell like lightning, he fell TO THE EARTH. As the millenium begins, a powerful angel will bind Satan with a chain, & he will be cast into "the abyss", where he cannot deceive men during the millenium. It's very-obvious he isn't exiled now!

 

[1689Dave]

Once again, the preterism falsehood rears its ugly head. Jesus plainly said He will return & rule the world for 1K years from Jerusalem before stepping aside for His Father. (Matt. 24:29-30, Rev. 19:15)

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MMRRPP! WRONG!
Scripture plainly says it'll be worldwide, & JESUS said if it weren't cut short, NO flesh(man or animal) would survive.


MMRRPP! WRONG AGAIN !
IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET! The destruction of J & the temple were NOT the trib. That was part of the "days of vengeance" Jesus prophesied against that generation of Jews for the murders of the righteous, from Abel up to that time. Jesus said the trib would be the worst catastrophes to ever hit mankind, & there have been many worse events than the 70 AD destruction.


There were some eight months between the two Roman sieges of J. No one had to leave immediately, as Jesus warned. That event is still future.


But again, the GREAT trib hasn't yet happened!



MMRRPP ! WRONG YET AGAIN!
Then, please tell us, who was the "beast/antichrist"? Who was his sidekick, the false prophet of Rev. 13, What did the marka the beast look like? When were they cast alive into the lake of fire? And, most-importantly of all, when did JESUS return in great power & glory, seen by all, as He said He'd be?



You musta been reading Mad Magazine's history of the world. NONE of the eschatological events have happened yet! I have Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's Encyclopedia, & World Book Encyclopedia before me, as well as eleven English Bible versions, & none of those prophesied eschatological events are found in any of them as having already occurred.

I highly-recommend you toss the pret garbage of Preston, Gentry, DelMar, Sproul, or whomever else's pret garbage you've been reading & study SCRIPTURE, HISTORY, & REality a good deal more!

Notice, this is an Amillennial presentation, not Preterist. If you can produce one scripture from the gospels or epistles depicting a physical kingdom instead of spiritual, post it so I can recant and think for a second you are right.

 

[robycop3]

The great tribulation happened in 70 AD.

MMRRPP ! WRONG !
It has NOT yet happened! When did all life in the sea die? When was all green grass burned up?

 

[1689Dave]

MMRRPP ! WRONG !
It has NOT yet happened! When did all life in the sea die? When was all green grass burned up?

You are denying Jesus' words in Matthew 24 when he told his present audience to leave Jerusalem when they saw the greatest tribulation the world would ever see looming.

 

[robycop3]

Notice, this is an Amillennial presentation, not Preterist. If you can produce one scripture from the gospels or epistles depicting a physical kingdom instead of spiritual, post it so I can recant and think for a second you are right.

I posted it from Rev. 19:15 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And Rev. 20 shows this will be on EARTH - Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Now, the Revelation is as much Scripture as the Gospels or epistles are, so it carries as much weight as any of them.

 

[1689Dave]

I posted it from Rev. 19:15 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And Rev. 20 shows this will be on EARTH - Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Now, the Revelation is as much Scripture as the Gospels or epistles are, so it carries as much weight as any of them.

Jesus is God who has always ruled the nations with a rod of iron....happening now.

 

[robycop3]

You are denying Jesus' words in Matthew 24 when he told his present audience to leave Jerusalem when they saw the greatest tribulation the world would ever see looming.

No, he did NOT specifically tell His then-present audience to leave. He said, "WHEN you see...", which THAT audience did NOT see. And Jesus preserved those words to this day. Had those events already occurred, there'da been no need for Him to have preserved them for us.

OTOH, YOU are ignoring MUCHO Scripture, beginning with Matt. 24:29-30, and virtually all the prophecies of Revelation, not to mention 2 Thess. 2:4, much of Daniel 9 & 11, and Luke 21.

Deny it all ya want, but you're still presenting pret garbage, phony as a Chevy Mustang!

 

[robycop3]

Jesus is God who has always ruled the nations with a rod of iron....happening now.

Do ya know what "Bah! Humbug!" means?

if Jesus is NOW ruling with a rod of iron, how come we have ISIS, LBGTQ, Communism, Islam, Bhuddism, etc. prevalent in the world?????????????????????????????????????

 

[loDebar]

There are two mentions of tribulation in Matthew 24. The great Tribulation that fell on the Jews in the destruction of Jerusalem. And the tribulation that befalls believers between the first and second coming of Christ. Plus, Revelation is a book of symbols. If you look for the symbol to appear, you will never see it. If you look for what the symbol represents, you can see the events unfolding since the first century.

If you realized who you are and your circumstances , you would not accept this humanistic doctrine . Believers are removed , wrath continues and will increase, . A response is required.
Promises are kept to Israel, Israel accepts Jesus. Rabbis that denied Him are ashamed