Andrea Yates - Justice Served?

[Bro. Talmadge]

RE: Andrea Yates - Justice Servered

Justice was servered. Texas law pertainning to the mental status goes back to the early 1800s and is not made clear. Yes, the verdict should have been guilty, but insane. Living only a few miles from where this happened and following it very close, I think Harris County DA has put alot of burden on the tax payers of that county. The 2 trials cost more than any case in Texas history.

I knew when the jury went more than 8 hours that changes were coming. The last trial, the jury only took 3 hours + to come up with a verdict. These so called experts they called for the county cost alot of money and one of them is the reason that she got a second trial. They paid him to testify the second time.($100,000.00) The other mental expert charged them $200,000.00 for his "testimoney".

God will decide this in the end though.

 

[Jim1999]

For some responses, if that is your branch of Christianity, I abhor Christianity and denounce it as evil and wholly repugnant. It is not the Christ I know and serve. I am ashamed of it!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I have seen the inside of the Texas mental hospital in Austin (ok wise guys, NOT as a patient), and while probably better than most Texas prisons, it is not a good place. I do hope Mrs. Yates gets treatment.

 

[Gina B]

For some responses, if that is your branch of Christianity, I abhor Christianity and denounce it as evil and wholly repugnant. It is not the Christ I know and serve. I am ashamed of it!

Cheers,

Jim

Just pointing out that I started a thread a while back on people here throwing out this accusation to other people here.

Here it is AGAIN.

So Jim, I'd really like to hear you explain this.

You are saying that some people here serve a different Christ. What did they say to earn this?
And what does that mean? To not serve Christ is to serve Satan, isn't it? So please explain who their christ is, and why what they said on this thread is sending them to hell. (which is the end of those who do not serve the truth)

Thanks.

Gina

 

[Bro. James Reed]

The woman's husband admitted that she had "practiced" filling the bathtub up with water before, for no apparent reason. That shows premeditation.

She called the police and her husband afterward to confess her crimes and even admitted that it was wrong. That shows a knowledge of good and evil.

According to Texas law, she should have been convicted. Whether you agree or disagree, the jury did not apply the true letter of the law in this case.

The jury foreman said a consensus amongst the jurors would have been quicker had there been an option of insane and guilty. There were 4 dissenters at the start of the voting. 8 for not guilty, and 4 for guilty.

I think the jurors, and society, felt sorry for her and gave her a pass on this.

Nevertheless, our DA, Chuck Rosenthal, is not closing the book on this case, and she can still be tried in the murders of 2 of the children. He is not ruling that out.

About getting a larger person to drown her...

I am 6'5" and almost 400 lbs....plus, I'm free next weekend and would be happy to volunteer my time for such a worthy cause.:applause:

The woman is dangerous and should be put to death. Who is to say that she won't think her doctor at the Psych ward needs to be killed in order to keep Satan away from him? Once she kills again, do we just chalk it up to mental illness and let her continue to breath so she can kill again?

The only sure-fire way to stop a murderer is to execute them. Believe me, that gives a 100% positive result each and every time.:thumbs:

 

[Daisy]

The only sure-fire way to stop a murderer is to execute them. Believe me, that gives a 100% positive result each and every time.:thumbs:

Unless, of course, you kill the wrong one. Then you have two murderers.

 

[LadyEagle]

From the Internet:

According to the pediatric pathologist who testified at the trial, Yates systematically drowned the children in the tub one by one. By the pathologist’s estimate, it took each of the children three minutes to lose consciousness in the feces, urine, and vomit-infested bathwater. It took another three minutes to drown, and even then, she probably had another six-minute window in which she could have successfully revived each of the children without leaving any brain damage. This leaves a window of 12 minutes per child, which multiplied by five, allowed for an hour in which Yates could have come around and realized that what she was doing was both as a matter of law and divine commandment WRONG, referring to her Bible in Exodus 20:13, where it says, “Thou shalt not kill.” The fact that Yates admitted chasing down 7-year old Noah as he ran from her and saying, “I got him” as she dragged him to his watery grave in the bathroom only goes to show her complete and absolute premeditation and determination to kill these children.

 

[Jim1999]

The world has more compassion than you so-called Christians..Your religion is a farce, and if you think the scriptures teach that bitter nonsense, try reading how a good Samaritain..not a Christian...dealt with a fallen man along the way.

On the death penalty, I think about the 13 Black men on death row for years in Illinois until a law student worked dilligently to prove their innocence. You all love to kill, but insist on quoting "thou shalt not kill..." What hypocrites! You denounce the late Charles Darwin because of a philosophical viewpoint and yet he had more compassion for a monkey that the lot of you do for another human being.

I hear so many talk about their illnesses, migraine headaches and other such ailments and you want pity! Don't search Christendom for it. Try the world of unbelievers. They do show compassion and care.

And the one chap needs to take care of his obesity before he offers to kill a poor woman suffering a mental deficiency. What a man! What a gut!

Cheers,

Jim, Old, feeble and fed up...You want to try sitting on me too?

 

[KenH]

Unless, of course, you kill the wrong one.

But in this case we know that this woman is a cold blooded murderer. The verdict should have been guilty and the sentence should have been the death penalty.

 

[genesis12]

Jim, Old, feeble and fed up...You want to try sitting on me too?

You and I need to take a leave of absence from these forums, Jim. We frequent here too much, hear too many disparate voices. Our flesh too often enters in to the fray.

 

[hill]

I agree that the verdict should have been guilty. But she is certainly insane and should be put away for life.

I would have her husband face charges of some sort concerning complicity.

 

[menageriekeeper]

While there are some cases where I believe treating the perpertator the way he/she treated the victim would be justified, this case is not one of them.

I'm with the jury, a guilty but insane verdict would have suited this case very well. Yates should never be free to commit another murder.

Will she get the help she needs? Probably not. Even if the state of Texas had the finest mental institutions in this country and billions to spend, the brain is to complex an organ for us to "fix" in every case. There's just no way of knowing exactly what was going in her mind/brain on the day she killed her kids. Without knowing what's broke you can't fix it.

Now the question becomes, is our government really supposed to house and feed for decades on end those people who are too dangerous to be allowed to roam the streets? Is it really compassion to force them to be locked up for the rest of their lives?

My personal belief is that lethal injection is fit for those who are irredeemably insane. Those who knowingly commit murder are fit for the electric chair.

 

[LeBuick]

The world has more compassion than you so-called Christians..Your religion is a farce, and if you think the scriptures teach that bitter nonsense, try reading how a good Samaritain..not a Christian...dealt with a fallen man along the way.

You saying she needs help? Are you suggesting we should not have any prisons but should instead practice helping those who commit crimes with hopes that they can be cured? Are you applying the 7X70 phylosiphy here?

On the death penalty, I think about the 13 Black men on death row for years in Illinois until a law student worked dilligently to prove their innocence. You all love to kill, but insist on quoting "thou shalt not kill..." What hypocrites! You denounce the late Charles Darwin because of a philosophical viewpoint and yet he had more compassion for a monkey that the lot of you do for another human being.

I agree the death penalty should never be imposed unless there is absolute proof of guilt ie... smoking gun. In this case, we know she commited the crime we are just trying to decide the punishment. There is no chance of finding later she did not drown the kids.

I've always believed the death penalty was closer to an eye for an eye. Transgressing the 10 commandments, though wrong, is breaking GOD's law and will be judged and sentenced by GOD the righteous judge.

I'm still trying to understand your position that there should be no penalty or price to pay when one takes anothers life?

I hear so many talk about their illnesses, migraine headaches and other such ailments and you want pity! Don't search Christendom for it. Try the world of unbelievers. They do show compassion and care.

Compassion is not always the correct sentence when one does wrong. Do you believe GOD disciplines his believers when we make wrong decisions? Does GOD not chastiseth?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Jim 1999, God bless you for your compassion. Executions do not honor God or a nation. I too, am very troubled by the hate and lack of love shown by many so-called "compassionate conservatives". Their bloodlust is appalling. Some would have made fine apprentice inquisitors to Torquemada. I hope someday the United States will leave the ranks of nations like Saudi Arabia and Iran, and instead join the civilized world by doing away with the national disgrace that is capital punishment.

As for Andrea Yates, it should be readily apparent to anyone that this woman has something seriously wrong with her mind.

 

[TaterTot]

yes, but she is still guilty, correct?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

yes, but she is still guilty, correct?

Tater, she physically committed the act, of course, that is not in doubt. But, the law holds that a person is not guilty if they are not in control of their mental faculties. The jury found her not guilty by reason of insanity, so legally, she is not guilty.

 

[El_Guero]

She is as guilty as every evil person that defends her innocence.

 

[Ralph III]

This lady needed help before she murdered her five children! If she had gotten it then such may have never occurred. I would like to know why no charges have been brought against her husband?

She can get all the help she needs now, but it will not bring back those children or ease the suffering they endured. Justice will only have been served if she is away for a long time and not capable of such again.

original quote by Gina L: "Just pointing out that I started a thread a while back on people here throwing out this accusation to other people here....".

Yes this is something which also bothers me. Who is to judge whether someone is a Christian and/or the depth of their faith? Is that not Christ's job as he truly knows the heart? I would also ask that people keep in mind some may just be venting.

But speaking of compasion. What type person defends this lady who kills her five children without making one mention of the children? Something to think about. Anyhow let's just pray for them all. Ralph

 

[Magnetic Poles]

But speaking of compasion. What type person defends this lady who kills her five children without making one mention of the children? Something to think about. Anyhow let's just pray for them all. Ralph

Ralph, her children are beyond our prayers now. No one denigrates what they endured at the hands of their mother.

 

[Gina B]

Jim, I agree with your assessment of the tone of a number of these posts.

However, I wouldn't go as far as (or even close) to say that because they sin in their seeming joy at the fate they want for this other sinner, that they do not worship Christ.
So I'm still waiting for your reply to my original question, as that is a VERY strong accusation.

BTW, while I understand your disgust and tend to strongly agree with you, I know I personally have my own shortcomings that others probably find equally abhorrant. I'm sure the same can be said of you.
But...it doesn't mean I don't serve Christ, or that you don't, or that those on this thread who are showing their own shortcomings don't serve Christ as well.

Saying someone isn't a Christian because they have different failures than others is something that's really bothered me lately. That's why I picked out your post, and why I started a thread on it recently. (which was shut down or I'd link you)