Animism?

[Walpole]

Moses was not. He was buried by God.

bible does not say that mary was assumed into heavn, that is a papal assumption.

But Moses appeared to Jesus, Peter, John and James. Did the Devil make him appear, as the other poster asserts is the case with apparitions?

The Bible also doesn't say all Christian revelation is contained within its books.

 

[Particular]

The Assumption is God assuming Mary's body and soul into heavenly glory at the end of her life.

You never addressed the OP regarding Rome's supposed co-opting of Animism. Were St. Stephen, Paul and John all adherents of Animism? For they all received apparitions.




Spare me the "You have made yourself higher than God" schtick. I have pointed out that in Calvinism, like in Islam, God acts with pure will. (You even admit to such, as I have a quotation of yours at the end of my post.)

Thus the God of Calvinism is thus unconstrained by any principle or any reason and hence capriciousness is essential to His very nature. Hence he can and does arbitrarily elect some to glory and others to destruction.




The God of Calvinism (and Islam) acts contra-Logos.




Calvin's God (as well as the God of Islam) takes pleasure in man's damnation...

“We say, then, that Scripture clearly proves this much, that God by his eternal and immutable counsel determined once for all those whom it was his pleasure one day to admit to salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, it was his pleasure to doom to destruction.” (Ibid, 3:21.6)




For the God of Calvinism, all the belief in the world is not going to save you if you have been created for God to take pleasure in destroying. You even acknowledged in another thread that faith in Jesus Christ has no bearing on one's election, but rather God's will (affirming my assertion about Calvin's God acting with pure will...

"Scripture says that Jesus Christ is not the criterion for election.
The good pleasure of God's will, is.
It also teaches that a person's faith is not the criterion for election.
It is the evidence of things not seen..." - You, Here

This is the antithesis of the Christian faith, which promises salvation for those who put their faith in Jesus Christ.

We have already gone over this. I showed you how faulty your thinking is about God. You simply resort to the same schtick synergists always fall on, which is the generic "calvinism" schpeel with no substance.

Now, back to the animism that oozes from your church in the teaching that ghosts appear to people to bless them with meritorious power (grace). That teaching is akin to animists seeing their ancestors walking the path and being given sustenance to maintain their ancestral culture. Have you never had anthropology courses or sociology courses? Did you miss ancient history class? What your church has done, in order to "win over the natives" is to co-opt the indigenous animism into the church. How are you ignorant of this?

 

[Particular]

Revelation 12 is polyvalent. Hence it contains both literal and figurative language. For example...


Literal ---> A woman; a male child; a ruler of all nations

Figurative ---> Clothed with the sun; standing on the moon; a crown with stars; a dragon; offspring


We know this because the Apostle begins by stating what he sees is a sign. Signs are figurative representations of that which is literal.




I didn't write the Apocalypse, St. John did. Was he an adherent of Animism?

John never invoked Mary in the 12th chapter and if you think it is Mary then your theory of Mary being a perpetual virgin is debunked.

 

[Walpole]

We have already gone over this. I showed you how faulty your thinking is about God. You simply resort to the same schtick synergists always fall on, which is the generic "calvinism" schpeel with no substance.

Now, back to the animism that oozes from your church in the teaching that ghosts appear to people to bless them with meritorious power (grace). That teaching is akin to animists seeing their ancestors walking the path and being given sustenance to maintain their ancestral culture. Have you never had anthropology courses or sociology courses? Did you miss ancient history class? What your church has done, in order to "win over the natives" is to co-opt the indigenous animism into the church. How are you ignorant of this?

OP You have dodged ---> Were Sts. Stephen, Paul and John adherents of Animism, from whence you asserted are the source of apparitions?

 

[Walpole]

John never invoked Mary in the 12th chapter and if you think it is Mary then your theory of Mary being a perpetual virgin is debunked.

Non-sequitur. No one has posited John invoked Mary.

Rather, the argument is John clearly saw an apparition of Mary in Revelation 12. The question for you is: Does this make him an Animist, as you claim are the source of apparitions?

 

[Particular]

The Church didn't give birth to Christ.

You miss the entire purpose of the Bible as God reveals his promised one in Genesis 3. John provides beautiful language to show you the process God used to bring his promise. In Rev 12 the woman is much bigger and greater than Mary and it is certainly not an apparition John is seeing.

 

[Particular]

OP You have dodged ---> Were Sts. Stephen, Paul and John adherents of Animism, from whence you asserted are the source of apparitions?

This has been discussed already.
It was shown that they didn't see apparitions as you are claiming. They, thank God, were never products of the Roman Catholic Church, which has co-opted animism. What the church at Rome does would be condemned by Paul, Peter, John and most importantly...Jesus. Jesus would call you to remove Jezebel.

 

[Oseas3]

Question you are dodging ---> What criteria does one use to determine if an apparition is genuine?
For example, what if an apparition of Jesus appeared and he quoted a Greek pagan poet? What would you think of that? Would that prove the apparition was false?

You ask that because you know not the Person of JESUS, as He really is in person.

What Satan has put in your brain and heart, and you see, and you worship it, it is a pseudo-figure or image printed, painted by the sons of Devil, or it is manufactured by the demons with clay, wood, metal, etc., and Satan uses Pope and the great Prostitute, the Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon the Beast, the Pope, to spread his satanic idolatries in the world.

My Lord JESUS is the living God. JESUS never, would do what Satan suggests by your brain, but never. JESUS is the living God, with Him there are no suppositions, speculations, conjectures, sophisms, such as there are with Satan and his followers. Here is the message of my Lord JESUS unto those on his left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED - yes, CURSED-, into everlasting FIRE, prepared for the Devil and his messengers.

Satan and his followers are as a stumblingblock in the path, Satan thinking is from a human perspective as can be seen from your brain used by him, Satan thinking is not from God’s perspective. By the way, now, even now, henceforwards, Satan will be cast down into the bottomless pit, but his followers will be cast into the hell's fire.

 

[utilyan]

You ask that because you know not the Person of JESUS, as He really is in person.

What Satan has put in your brain and heart, and you see, and you worship it, it is a pseudo-figure or image printed, painted by the sons of Devil, or it is manufactured by the demons with clay, wood, metal, etc., and Satan uses Pope and the great Prostitute, the Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon the Beast, the Pope, to spread his satanic idolatries in the world.

My Lord JESUS is the living God. JESUS never, would do what Satan suggests by your brain, but never. JESUS is the living God, with Him there are no suppositions, speculations, conjectures, sophisms, such as there are with Satan and his followers. Here is the message of my Lord JESUS unto those on his left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED - yes, CURSED-, into everlasting FIRE, prepared for the Devil and his messengers.

Satan and his followers are as a stumblingblock in the path, Satan thinking is from a human perspective as can be seen from your brain used by him, Satan thinking is not from God’s perspective. By the way, now, even now, henceforwards, Satan will be cast down into the bottomless pit, but his followers will be cast into the hell's fire.

Well since you think we are in league with the devil you should be happy since our incompetence is bound to screw up the devil's plan.

 

[Oseas3]

So God raised Moses but Satan raised Mary?

God raised Moses, yes.

In the other hand, all things Satan has done and still does with the name of Mary, and of the apostles, in accord his satanics doctrines spread in the world through the Great Prostitute, the Roman Catholic Church, the body of the Devil, these things Satan has already put them in your brain.

I'm confused. Try answering the question posed to you originally, which I will ask again in a simpler form:

? Actually you are possessed.

I have answering your questions but you are blind quided by blind, as all followers of the great Prostitute, guided by a legion of demons ministers of Satan (2Cor.11:v.13-15) like the Pope, Cardinals, Priests, among many other, actually a cast of demons.

You have given me excellent opportunities to use a sharp sword, and also a rod of iron, to judge the Beast with all its idolatries and sorcery, which is seated in the Vatican City, the Pope, and the Great Prostitute who rides upon him, the Roman Catholic Church, and yet to Judge all the followers of the Beast, upon whom God's wrath will fall, as well as all the specific plagues that will be poured out upon the Beast as are written in Revelation, especially chapter 18.

 

[utilyan]

God raised Moses, yes.

In the other hand, all things Satan has done and still does with the name of Mary, and of the apostles, in accord his satanics doctrines spread in the world through the Great Prostitute, the Roman Catholic Church, the body of the Devil, these things Satan has already put them in your brain.




? Actually you are possessed.

I have answering your questions but you are blind quided by blind, as all followers of the great Prostitute, guided by a legion of demons ministers of Satan (2Cor.11:v.13-15) like the Pope, Cardinals, Priests, among many other, actually a cast of demons.

You have given me excellent opportunities to use a sharp sword, and also a rod of iron, to judge the Beast with all its idolatries and sorcery, which is seated in the Vatican City, the Pope, and the Great Prostitute who rides upon him, the Roman Catholic Church, and yet to Judge all the followers of the Beast, upon whom God's wrath will fall, as well as all the specific plagues that will be poured out upon the Beast as are written in Revelation, especially chapter 18.

What a devil describes a Great Prostitute is one thing, What do you think is a Great Prostitute?

 

[Oseas3]

Well since you think we are in league with the devil you should be happy since our incompetence is bound to screw up the devil's plan.

You are saying nothing, what prevails is the Word of God. The Word is God, yeah, the Word is God. Those who belong to the Devil he will take with him.

The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. He that believes on the Son as the scriptures say, he has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.

 

[Oseas3]

What a devil describes a Great Prostitute is one thing, What do you think is a Great Prostitute?

What devil? It is you. What prevails is the Word of God.

 

[Walpole]

You ask that because you know not the Person of JESUS, as He really is in person.

What Satan has put in your brain and heart, and you see, and you worship it, it is a pseudo-figure or image printed, painted by the sons of Devil, or it is manufactured by the demons with clay, wood, metal, etc., and Satan uses Pope and the great Prostitute, the Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon the Beast, the Pope, to spread his satanic idolatries in the world.

My Lord JESUS is the living God. JESUS never, would do what Satan suggests by your brain, but never. JESUS is the living God, with Him there are no suppositions, speculations, conjectures, sophisms, such as there are with Satan and his followers. Here is the message of my Lord JESUS unto those on his left hand, Depart from me, ye CURSED - yes, CURSED-, into everlasting FIRE, prepared for the Devil and his messengers.

Satan and his followers are as a stumblingblock in the path, Satan thinking is from a human perspective as can be seen from your brain used by him, Satan thinking is not from God’s perspective. By the way, now, even now, henceforwards, Satan will be cast down into the bottomless pit, but his followers will be cast into the hell's fire.

Just so I am clear, if an apparition of Jesus appeared and he quoted a Greek pagan poet, this would be a sign it is not genuine, and instead of the devil?

Yes or no?

 

[David Kent]

If Mary is the person in Revelation 12, then she cannot have been a perpetual virgin.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Since Mary is never invoked in Revelation 12, it seems the woman is symbolic, not an actual physical human being.

Walpoles insistence on humans seeing ghosts is consistent with animist beliefs.

Catholics approptiate the woman to be Mary as you can see in pitures of Mary and many statues in Catholic countries. They also add their own god to the image, the serpent.

RC Mary is not the Mary of the bible. The 12 stars are the same that are in the European Flag. It was taken from a stained glass window in Strasbourg cathedral. Not surprising as the treaty that set up the European Economic Community, the forfunner of the EU, was The Treaty of Rome.

The Eu will not last. There have been many attempts over the centuries to set the Pope over Europe, but they all failed eventually. That accords with scripture which ays that the ten lingdoms that succeded the Roman empire would not stick together, Daaniel 2:43

 

[utilyan]

What devil? It is you. What prevails is the Word of God.

"What prevails is the Word of God."

If you believed that then you would be sharing the word of God. I think you better serve Accusations instead.

 

[Walpole]

Catholics approptiate the woman to be Mary as you can see in pitures of Mary and many statues in Catholic countries. They also add their own god to the image, the serpent.

RC Mary is not the Mary of the bible. The 12 stars are the same that are in the European Flag. It was taken from a stained glass window in Strasbourg cathedral. Not surprising as the treaty that set up the European Economic Community, the forfunner of the EU, was The Treaty of Rome.

The Eu will not last. There have been many attempts over the centuries to set the Pope over Europe, but they all failed eventually. That accords with scripture which ays that the ten lingdoms that succeded the Roman empire would not stick together, Daaniel 2:43

You’re a little late to the party. There have been dozens and dozens of kingdoms across Europe that have come and gone since the fall of the Roman Empire some 1,543 years ago.

 

[Oseas3]

Just so I am clear, if an apparition of Jesus appeared and he quoted a Greek pagan poet, this would be a sign it is not genuine, and instead of the devil?

I am not arguing about imaginary and ridiculous apparitions Satan has put within the brain of the Papacy et caterva, and in all their followers, all sons of Devil that follow that Beast that is sat in the Vatican City, the Pope and woman his Prostitute, the Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon him.

Yeah, it's not the ridiculous and insignificant belief of the sons of the Great Whore what imports, the most important is to lay hold on the Dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him, and cast him into the bottomless pit to stop him to spread his idolatries and sorcery through the religious MONSTER of 7 heads, and 10 horns, the Papacy, that the Devil deceives not the nations no more through his cunningly devised fables.

 

[Oseas3]

If you believed that then you would be sharing the word of God.

You have nothing to do with the Word of God. It is useless you to be disguising that you believe in God's Word.

I think you better serve Accusations instead.

Oh I do not walk in the counsel of the ungodly, by the way, blessed is the man that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the way of the sinners, nor sits in the seat of the mocker, but his delight is in the Word of the Lord; and in His Word does he meditate day and night.

 

[utilyan]

You have nothing to do with the Word of God. It is useless you to be disguising that you believe in God's Word.




Oh I do not walk in the counsel of the ungodly, by the way, blessed is the man that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the way of the sinners, nor sits in the seat of the mocker, but his delight is in the Word of the Lord; and in His Word does he meditate day and night.

Well then lets hear the gospel from you instead. My point is you never get around to actually preach it, You rather accuse the brethren.

Lets hear the gospel right now since you love it so much. Some demonic oppressed who are so repulsed by the gospel they can't get around to preach it or stand to hear it. Lets delight in the Word of God.

Praise Our LORD JESUS CHRIST.