Anointing With Oil

[Yeshua1]

Early in my Christian walk I had severe knee pain in my right knee. Squatting would cause tears. I didn't have the money at the time to go to the doctor. Our pastor at the time preached on James Ch 5. I went forward and asked for prayer, laying on of hands and anointing with oil. The pastor, ministers and the deacons all done this in turn. It was very humble and was not done like the pentecostals on tv do it. God healed my knee that night and it has never hurt since. That was about 20 years ago. I have no problem with it as long as it is handled correctly.

Think the BIG difference between what the Bible teaches on this issue , and what some Charasmatics have, is that while there are no longer gifts to heal distyributed out among us, the Lord still does heal according to His will!

problem is that many in Charasmatic circles assume that its ALWAY His will to pjysically heal all sick in the Body right now!

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

problem is that many in Charasmatic circles assume that its ALWAY His will to pjysically heal all sick in the Body right now!

Amen, Yeshua. That is the crux of the issue, and why Christians everywhere should be very careful of how the anointing with oil is done. Charismatics believe if it is their will someone be healed, God will honor that, unless they "don't have enough faith." Ken Copeland, from what I understand -- and I'm repeating second- or third-hand information, so I can't validate it -- has told people who aren't healed, "Well, your faith is weak and until you get more faith, God isn't going to do anything for you."

Good grief, what a nonsense and hurtful thing to tell someone who is ill, disabled, or dying. These people do far more harm than good.

 

[Yeshua1]

Amen, Yeshua. That is the crux of the issue, and why Christians everywhere should be very careful of how the anointing with oil is done. Charismatics believe if it is their will someone be healed, God will honor that, unless they "don't have enough faith." Ken Copeland, from what I understand -- and I'm repeating second- or third-hand information, so I can't validate it -- has told people who aren't healed, "Well, your faith is weak and until you get more faith, God isn't going to do anything for you."

Good grief, what a nonsense and hurtful thing to tell someone who is ill, disabled, or dying. These people do far more harm than good.

was in pentacostal church over a decade as an Elder, trained in their school,and while they did NOT see it as being always will of God, the modern Charasmatics do indeed see it as such!

They see BOTH propseprity/wealth and health in the shed blood of Jesus, so ANY not receiving all those promised blesings are either weak in faith, gross sinning, or else ignorant of their positions of being "King's Kids!"

And Copeland worst of the bunch, as he called God biggest loser in Bible, that Jesus died as a sinner, had to get born again in hell, and that we are just as much an incarnation of God as he was!

 

[InTheLight]

Check this out...

http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2014/06/romanian-church-patriarch-mocked-for.html

 

[Zenas]

If I believed natural oil today and prayer both together has anything to do with healing people then both together when practiced would heal every time it was applied to a person in a service. Also I would have to believe both together in verse 15 would be binding on God to forgive sins. The Book of James can be a hard book to understand.

Actually it's very easy to understand if we take it at face value. James implies that the oil is a conduit of God's grace. He says nothing to suggest it is either symbolic or medicinal.

 

[righteousdude2]

Well ....

In the book of James verse 14 say's, Is any sick among you ? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: Verse 15, And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he has committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Some Baptist churches I've attended over the years practice this, some don't. The Apostles practiced the anointing of oil in Mark 6:14. but the Apostles had extraordinary power from God that men don't have today. Oil was used as a healing agent as in Luke 10:34. The Catholic clergy also use verse 15 by anointing a dying person on the forehead and praying their sins away. I have witnessed myself in COG services a person anointing guitars, microphones, singers, bus vans for Gods service. Personally I think the anointing with oil as mentioned in the above scripture was meant and practiced in a different time. Oil also signified the Holy Spirit by the anointing the head with oil by the prophets recorded several times in the bible. Today we have the Holy Spirit abiding in us so what purpose or benefit is it to anoint anything with oil ?

.... I use the oil because the word says to anoint with oil, and I've never seen a verse or come across a teaching telling me not to!

Let me ask this. Why do we still use grape juice and crackers as symbols of the communion? Wouldn't it make sense simply to pray and visualize the elements of communion, after all we are NOW indwelt?

Oil, and it doesn't matter what kind of oil, just like what kind of elements used in communion, i.e., grape juice, grape soda, real wine, crackers, broken pieces of bread, unleavened bread, those little pellets. It is the symbolism and the faith in applying the element and following through in prayer that makes the elements so special!

That is MHO, you all can do as the Lord leads, and I'm sure God will honor it no matter what. Nevertheless, it is not wrong for a pastor to take the anointing of and with oil literally, because God will honor this too!

 

[righteousdude2]

Great point TND ....

Ken Copeland ..... has told people who aren't healed, "Well, your faith is weak and until you get more faith, God isn't going to do anything for you."

Been there done that .... and that is why I am no longer involved with those WoF people. I happen to have a few thorns in my flesh, that are there to stay, and I heard the guilt prayer sermons during the laying on of hands.

I believe that God heals, because I have been a recipient of a miracle, and I've seen my share of them, BUT, there are more times God has not healed on the commandof the preacher or his prayer team, and that does not mean a person is at a level of faith that prevents God from doing the work asked of Him!

That is a cop out by Copeland and Hinn and other WoF preachers and teachers, to soothe the embarrassment of laying hands on a person and watching them die, or remain sick!

I happend to believe God will use our thorns for His glory just like a miracle healing! I have a progressive neurological disease, asthma and diabetes! I've prayed more than three times to be rid of them, and they remained. All I got from God was, "My grace is more sufficient in your weakness," and I am here to tell you, He has more than proved that.

Now, can God remove these burdens of the flesh? Yes. And be it while I'm in this body, or upon my entrance to heaven, I look forward to the day of healing, it's just that one form of healing will still be temperal, while the other eternal! Thank God my new body will not know the problems this earthly vessel has!

Copeland, TBN, Hinn, Paula White, and others mean well, but if those under their ministry get ill and not get well when prayed for, they are punished, and usually end up kicked under the holy ghost bus!

This is exactly why I wrote my second book. I spent a long time enslaved to their guilt trips, and a longer time helping those who were hurt to the point of losing faith, to see that no matter what, our bodies are heading to death, in the fast lane, and that is normal! We all die of something, or at the hands of somebody or something. But nothing can take away from the believer the blessed hope of being in glory with a forever body that no longer is prone to disease, accidents or death!

WoF is an empty shell, all glitz, no substance! I'd rather have Jesus than the hype these men and women are selling as Gospel! :wavey:

 

[Rolfe]

Check this out...

http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2014/06/romanian-church-patriarch-mocked-for.html

"Holy Roller."

If I did not say it, someone else would have.:laugh:

 

[Yeshua1]

The WoF Heretics do not put the Will of God into it, as their teaching has us able to command the Lord what to do, as they state"even God is bound to obey His own Laws of faith!"

That is why hagin could write "Write your own ticket with God", and benny hinn declare 'we are gods"