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Another terror attack in London

Martin Marprelate

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Wonder when Britain will outlaw vehicles and knives, the current weapons of choice for terrorists?
I'm pleased to say that in Britain there are already serious penalties for carrying a knife in public, but if someone is going to carry a deadly weapon, I would rather it were a knife than a firearm. I am also pleased to tell you that there is no demand at all for gun controls to be relaxed.
 

rsr

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VIOLENT crime is on the retreat in most advanced economies. The latest US figures, for 2013, show that murder rates are lower now than in the early 1960s. In the same year, homicides in Japan hit a post-war low. In England and Wales the level of violence has dropped by 66 per cent since the latest peak in 1995.

In fact, big falls in homicides have happened in virtually all developed societies over the past 20 years. In the US, it is clear that the decline in violence extends to robbery, assault, rape, child maltreatment, domestic abuse and school bullying.

Why the World Is Not Falling Apart
 

carpro

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rsr

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The actual number of deaths from terrorism is hardly a blip on the radar screen, sad though they are.

Yes, homicides jumped in the U.S. in 2015. But the FBI said that "According to the report, there were an estimated 1,197,704 violent crimes committed around the nation. While that was an increase from 2014 figures, the 2015 violent crime total was 0.7 percent lower than the 2011 level and 16.5 percent below the 2006 level."

Too early to tell if it's a blip or something more. Murders, in particular, are prone to large annual swings. No matter what happened in 2015, the trend has been declining.
 

Baptist Believer

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Uh, fact: Terrorists do not want to talk. They want to kill and conquer.
I was responding to the description of "Religious and Cultural differences and perceived threats."

Unless you are dim enough to think that those of a different religion and culture are automatically terrorists, your response makes no sense.
 

Baptist Believer

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Because? Women might be more effective to preach emotions trump religious beliefs?
What I wrote about women was mostly a joke since you had written that "men" could not do it.

Strangely enough, you seem to have a stereotypical and diminished view of the competence of women. Why do you assume that all women have to offer is emotions?

No I have not changed the issue.
There is always a division among Spiritual beliefs.
So far, so good.

And Spiritual beliefs often dictate Cultures and Traditions of like minded people.
Now you went and used the word "often," which means that an extremely significant number of cultures and traditions are not spiritually motivated. You have just invalidated your argument.

And often we find such Spiritual Beliefs, Cultures, Traditions among people who have traditionally occupied Lands together.
And there's that word, "often", again. Don't you realize that there are a number of cultures that have been religiously diverse for centuries, with their own cultures and traditions? The United States is an obvious example. And even more mixed area is in the Balkans - where my mother was born - that had very significant numbers of Orthodox, Muslims, Catholics, and Jews, as well as a modest number of other faiths and atheism.

So yes, you did change the issue and have demonstrated you changed it by your own argument.

Of course, I expect you to deny it.

A crime report? There has always been crime. Want to know something that everyone who follows such things knows? We are at historic lows in terms of crime.

We are at peace as a state and as a nation. We do not have armies fighting each other.

We have a problem with too many people incarcerated. Our society needs the gospel. Nevertheless, we are at peace. Our society needs the gospel.


Again, you are citing crime statistics. Our society needs the gospel.

Wait... are you saying that we cannot sit down at the table with people who do not know Christ and share the gospel?
 

Happy

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VIOLENT crime is on the retreat in most advanced economies. The latest US figures, for 2013, show that murder rates are lower now than in the early 1960s. In the same year, homicides in Japan hit a post-war low. In England and Wales the level of violence has dropped by 66 per cent since the latest peak in 1995.

In fact, big falls in homicides have happened in virtually all developed societies over the past 20 years. In the US, it is clear that the decline in violence extends to robbery, assault, rape, child maltreatment, domestic abuse and school bullying.

And?
Do you no longer LOCK your home, vehicles, belongings?
Do you no longer believe you (or your wife / children) need to take precautions against violence in or out of your home?
 

Happy

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I was responding to the description of "Religious and Cultural differences and perceived threats."

Unless you are dim enough to think that those of a different religion and culture are automatically terrorists, your response makes no sense.

Stats simply give one an "indication" of WHO may be a terrorist (domestic or foreign), based on "statistics" of WHO routinely IS the culprit and WHAT (religion, beliefs, genders, age, regions, cultures, political views, etc.) motivates them to act in a violent manner.

To pretend otherwise is simply foolish.
 

Happy

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What I wrote about women was mostly a joke since you had written that "men" could not do it.

Men was a reference to "KINDS" of men, which is HUMANS, regardless of gender.

Strangely enough, you seem to have a stereotypical and diminished view of the competence of women. Why do you assume that all women have to offer is emotions?

The female gender was your admitted joke.
I didn't assume anything. I asked you a question.

Now you went and used the word "often," which means that an extremely significant number of cultures and traditions are not spiritually motivated. You have just invalidated your argument.

False. "Often" is subjective and perfectibility acceptable, void of an unknown definitive.

And there's that word, "often", again.

Correct. Void of ALWAYS or NEVER.

Don't you realize that there are a number of cultures that have been religiously diverse for centuries, with their own cultures and traditions?

Diverse religions ~ uh huh
Their own cultures and traditions ~ uh huh

The United States is an obvious example.

No. The United States is not a religion or a culture or a tradition. It is a specific LAND.

And even more mixed area is in the Balkans - where my mother was born - that had very significant numbers of Orthodox, Muslims, Catholics, and Jews, as well as a modest number of other faiths and atheism.

And a significant number of Religious conflicts.

So yes, you did change the issue and have demonstrated you changed it by your own argument.

No. I can discuss the topic, but I can not understand it for you.

Of course, I expect you to deny it.

I have no requirement to agree with your claims.

A crime report? There has always been crime. Want to know something that everyone who follows such things knows? We are at historic lows in terms of crime.

And? Do you no longer lock your doors? take precautions? And you now feel safe?

In conjunction; the incarceration rate is at an all time high.

We are at peace as a state and as a nation. We do not have armies fighting each other.

Excellent! Then there should be NO MORE headlines of violence and all US Soldiers should be relieved of active duty!

We have a problem with too many people incarcerated.

Too many people? And? How many would be acceptable to you? What do you suggest? Release? Execution? Something else?

Our society needs the gospel.

Our "society", actually "the World" has the Gospel available, to anyone who desires to receive it.

Nevertheless, we are at peace.

Your own words CONFLICT with the Gospel, (that your repeatedly claim is needed.)
What is the point of YOU having the Gospel, if you then speak in direct conflict with the Gospel?

Luke 12
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:



Again, you are citing crime statistics.

No kidding. It is the evidence PEACE is not accomplished! (as you claim)

Wait... are you saying that we cannot sit down at the table with people who do not know Christ and share the gospel?

No. Pay attention. I was speaking of DIPLOMACY. That is NOT a conference to discuss the Gospel!
 

Happy

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I'm pleased to say that in Britain there are already serious penalties for carrying a knife in public, but if someone is going to carry a deadly weapon, I would rather it were a knife than a firearm. I am also pleased to tell you that there is no demand at all for gun controls to be relaxed.

In Britain ~ Do the Police carry ANY weapons?
 

Martin Marprelate

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In Britain ~ Do the Police carry ANY weapons?
Police are not routinely armed with firearms, though if you fly into Heathrow Airport you will certainly see armed police there, likewise around Parliament. There are rapid-response squads of armed police, especially in London. In the most recent Moslem terrorist attack, police were on hand very quickly to shoot down the terrorists who were running amok with knives.

All police carry truncheons and pepper spray and some will have tasers.
 

Baptist Believer

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Men was a reference to "KINDS" of men, which is HUMANS, regardless of gender.
Yes, I get that.

The female gender was your admitted joke.
I didn't assume anything. I asked you a question.
Your question was loaded with stereotypes.

False. "Often" is subjective and perfectibility acceptable, void of an unknown definitive.

Correct. Void of ALWAYS or NEVER.
Which was exactly my point.

No. The United States is not a religion or a culture or a tradition. It is a specific LAND.
(1) I never made an assertion that it was a religion - quite the opposite.
(2) The United States has a culture.
(3) The United States has all kinds of traditions - political, social, etc.
(4) The United States has "LAND" and it is a political entity as well.

And a significant number of Religious conflicts.
And yet they can find peace, like now. You claimed that peace cannot be found by sitting at a table with people from diverse "Cultures" and "Traditions." Peace in the Balkans at many times through history plainly refutes your assertion.

No. I can discuss the topic, but I can not understand it for you.
And now come the weird condescension that begins as soon as logic and reason defeats your assertions...

And? Do you no longer lock your doors? take precautions? And you now feel safe?
This digression is irrelevant to the topic at hand, but I feel quite safe. I have a lock on my door, but it would be relatively easy to break in. I feel quite safe. I don't live in fear.

This has nothing to do with nations at war.

Excellent! Then there should be NO MORE headlines of violence and all US Soldiers should be relieved of active duty!
Did I say that all war has ended and will never arise again?

Your "reasoning" is completely irrational and illogical.

Too many people? And? How many would be acceptable to you? What do you suggest? Release? Execution? Something else?
It is a symptom of a culture that has not be effectively met with the gospel. I suggest that true disciples of Jesus would live the gospel and that false cultural Christians would be exposed and would not bring reproach upon the church.

Our "society", actually "the World" has the Gospel available, to anyone who desires to receive it.
Really? So there's not need for missionaries, no need to grow in grace and live the gospel? You are certainly not talking about the message and mission of Jesus.

Your own words CONFLICT with the Gospel, (that your repeatedly claim is needed.)
Horse manure.

What is the point of YOU having the Gospel, if you then speak in direct conflict with the Gospel?
Horse manure.

Luke 12
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
If you are interpreting that verse correctly (you aren't) to support the point that you are desperately trying to get everyone to forget (that people of different cultures and traditions cannot sit down and peacefully resolve differences), then every moment where two countries do so disproves the words of Jesus.

Jesus' words have not been disproven, yours have.

No kidding. It is the evidence PEACE is not accomplished! (as you claim)
That was not my claim. I think you know that. Therefore you appear to be lying.

No. Pay attention. I was speaking of DIPLOMACY. That is NOT a conference to discuss the Gospel!
I was simply trying to figure out a way to make sense of your words without assuming that you are a liar.
 

Happy

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Police are not routinely armed with firearms, though if you fly into Heathrow Airport you will certainly see armed police there, likewise around Parliament. There are rapid-response squads of armed police, especially in London. In the most recent Moslem terrorist attack, police were on hand very quickly to shoot down the terrorists who were running amok with knives.

All police carry truncheons and pepper spray and some will have tasers.

Are British citizens allowed or forbidden to carry the same defense items?

Are British citizens allowed or forbidden to have the same defense items?
 

InTheLight

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And?
Do you no longer LOCK your home, vehicles, belongings?
Do you no longer believe you (or your wife / children) need to take precautions against violence in or out of your home?
So now you are changing the subject from statistical evidence of crime to how I personally feel about my security. Your constant shifting of the argument is tiresome.

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Matt Black

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Are British citizens allowed or forbidden to carry the same defense items?

Are British citizens allowed or forbidden to have the same defense items?
No, which is why we have a police force to do it, not gangs of armed vigilantes!
 
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