Another terror attack in London

[Martin Marprelate]

Are British citizens allowed or forbidden to carry the same defense items?

Are British citizens allowed or forbidden to have the same defense items?

They are forbidden to do so, I am delighted to tell you. At one time, people were allowed to carry pepper sprays (they were thought to be a possible defence by women against sexual assault), but following a series of criminal attacks, they were outlawed.

There is a saying in Britain that you don't keep a dog and bark yourself.

 

[carpro]

No, which is why we have a police force to do it, not gangs of armed vigilantes!

And when the police are not handy, a lot of innocent sheep are needlessly slaughtered.

So be it.

 

[Happy]

Yes, I get that.

Not obvious, by your post.

Your question was loaded with stereotypes.

And? So? What do you think your own post was loaded with? (Catholics, Muslims, etc.?)

And yet they can find peace, like now. You claimed that peace cannot be found by sitting at a table with people from diverse "Cultures" and "Traditions."

If you are going to speak for me, use my words.
I said; Diplomacy and diplomatic solutions to a Spiritual issue is a FAIL.

Peace in the Balkans at many times through history plainly refutes your assertion.

The Balkans....includes the countries of;
of Albania, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Slovenia, and the geographical/political region of European Turkey.

Perhaps you should give your definition of PEACE . And which "peaceful" country you are talking about.

And now come the weird condescension that begins as soon as logic and reason defeats your assertions...

Do you really think your lack of comprehension prevails as if you have defeated another? LOL

This digression is irrelevant to the topic at hand,

No. The point was perfectly relevant to the topic of you claiming to live in peace.

but I feel quite safe.

Good.

I have a lock on my door, but it would be relatively easy to break in.

Good you are satisfied with your useless precautions.

I feel quite safe.

Again, good for you.

I don't live in fear.

Good. Neither do I.

Did I say that all war has ended and will never arise again?

No. Neither did I, so why deflect to a non issue?

Your "reasoning" is completely irrational and illogical.

I don't base my reasoning on your understanding.

It is a symptom of a culture that has not be effectively met with the gospel. I suggest that true disciples of Jesus would live the gospel and that false cultural Christians would be exposed and would not bring reproach upon the church.

You suggest?

I suggest that true disciples of Jesus would live the gospel

Live it? You don't even agree with it.

You preach peace has been accomplished.
You preach you live in peace.
Jesus Himself preached He came to DIVIDE.
Do you really think DIVISION is how PEACE is accomplished?

Really?

So there's not need for missionaries, no need to grow in grace and live the gospel?

YIKES....terrible words to come out of your thoughts, your mouth.

To be clear. Those are YOUR thoughts and YOUR words, not mine!

You are certainly not talking about the message and mission of Jesus.

Actually the subject was "terrorists attacks".
I do not believe "terrorists attacks" are a sign of PEACE being accomplished.

But you have elaborated; that PEACE is prevailing.

Horse manure.
Horse manure.

Excellent for the garden.

If you are interpreting that verse correctly (you aren't) to support the point that you are desperately trying to get everyone to forget (that people of different cultures and traditions cannot sit down and peacefully resolve differences), then every moment where two countries do so disproves the words of Jesus.

There is a specific reason I do not turn to you to seek understanding of Scriptures.
Specifically; God did not GIVE YOU the POWER to give me the understanding the Scriptures.
And Specifically WHY; I repeatedly say to seek God for His understanding of Scriptures.

So, no, me speaking on behalf of God is NOT desperation ~ it's a service I do unto my Lord.
And, no, a mans own ignorance and embracing of such ignorance has NOTHING to do with my service unto the Lord.

If you want to preach PEACE has come into the World. You live in PEACE. Who cares? I simply disagree with you.

I don't live in fear. I live being prepared.
I don't pretend "PEACE" means; "only the lack of a declared war".
You don't even recognize there is NOT "peace" between you and I.
Precisely because there IS; disagreement, descent, discord.!
And BECAUSE there IS disagreement;
You then aggravated the disagreement By implying I was a liar, desperate and attempted to imply words you thought of were my thoughts.

Your fantasy that everyone can just talk and everything will be okay, is a fail.

Jesus' words have not been disproven, yours have.

That's funny.
Because I quoted Jesus' words. I agree with Jesus' words. There is division, and division is NOT peace.
It is "your words" that claim;

they can find peace, like now.

And further you expounded by implication that that peace can be found;

You claimed that peace can be found by sitting at a table with people from diverse "Cultures" and "Traditions."

That was not my claim. I think you know that. Therefore you appear to be lying.

I only know by what you said.

I was simply trying to figure out a way to make sense of your words without assuming that you are a liar.

I simply do not acknowledge Peace on earth exists. You do. Thus, there is a difference in what we acknowledge. Period.
You have turned a disagreement into announcing disagreement with you, must mean, desperation, lies, against preaching the word, and all kinds of nonsense.

 

[Happy]

They are forbidden to do so, I am delighted to tell you. At one time, people were allowed to carry pepper sprays (they were thought to be a possible defence by women against sexual assault), but following a series of criminal attacks, they were outlawed.

There is a saying in Britain that you don't keep a dog and bark yourself.

There is a saying in the United States;

We the People of the United States secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves.

We also have another saying in the United States;

That all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It is nice you are delighted that "MEN" are positioned, in your Nation to decide the limit of your Liberty, by their declared forbidding.

It is a delight to me, that the US declared independence from the oppression of your Nation.

 

[Happy]

And when the police are not handy, a lot of innocent sheep are needlessly slaughtered.

So be it.

LOL, right!

"The Secret Service employs approximately 3,200 special agents, 1,300 Uniformed Division officers, and more than 2,000 other technical, professional and administrative support personnel." https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faqs/

And? An American citizen can call 911 when someone is unexpectedly holding a weapon in their face!

 

[Martin Marprelate]

There is a saying in the United States;

We the People of the United States secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves.

We also have another saying in the United States;

That all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It is nice you are delighted that "MEN" are positioned, in your Nation to decide the limit of your Liberty, by their declared forbidding.

It is a delight to me, that the US declared independence from the oppression of your Nation.

We use our liberty to decline to posses offensive weapons. There is absolutely zero demand for firearm possession to be legalized. I suppose I should qualify that. No doubt members of Daesh wish weapons were more readily available in the UK.
What you use your liberty for for is up to you.

 

[carpro]

We use our liberty to decline to posses offensive weapons. There is absolutely zero demand for firearm possession to be legalized. I suppose I should qualify that. No doubt members of Daesh wish weapons were more readily available in the UK.
What you use your liberty for for is up to you.

ISIS can get all the weapons then need or want. Your laws mean nothing to them except for providing a target rich environment.

If you wish to die like sheep, it's ok by me.

 

[Happy]

We use our liberty to decline to posses offensive weapons.

Sure. And since it is a consensus that weapons are offensive, and undesirable to possess, according to the consensus, what is the need for a LAW to prohibit?

There is absolutely zero demand for firearm possession to be legalized.

Point being, why is there a law of prohibition, when the consensus is weapons are offensive and people exercise their liberty to not possess firearms?

I suppose I should qualify that. No doubt members of Daesh wish weapons were more readily available in the UK.

Oh, so the consensus is not 100% of the people being in agreement.

So, what about the Liberty of the people, who are not included in your consensus?

Point being;
you use your liberty to define weapons as offensive.
you use your liberty to not possess such weapons.

Problem is:
You exercising your liberty is most acceptable to you.
However an other exercising their liberty is not acceptable to you.
AND...
Would it be accurate to say; You support the government in NOT allowing the people to exercise their Liberty, by declaring a prohibition against their Liberty?

What you use your liberty for for is up to you.

Of course.

Curious ~

How would the following scenario work for you?....
A great number of citizens decide in consensual agreement they do not want the responsibility or burden of children.
They exercise their liberty to not reproduce.
The government in appeasement of a great number of citizens, decides to prohibit its citizens from reproducing.
Would you feel your liberty was taken from you (prohibited by the government), because others decided to not exercise THAT liberty?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

ISIS can get all the weapons then need or want.

I think you'll find they can't in Britain.

Your laws mean nothing to them except for providing a target rich environment.

The large majority of deaths in the last few weeks were at the concert in Manchester. If every man. woman and child there had been armed to the teeth, it would have made no difference whatsoever.

If you wish to die like sheep, it's ok by me.

I think you'll find that Americans are far more likely to die from firearms than Britons. So if you want to die like sheep, it's OK by me.

 

[carpro]

I think you'll find they can't in Britain.

 

[Matt Black]

ISIS can get all the weapons then need or want. Your laws mean nothing to them except for providing a target rich environment.

If you wish to die like sheep, it's ok by me.

We'd rather take our chances against knives and vehicles than endure the far more deadly and depressing headlines of yet another gun massacre in the US. As Martin said, there is absolutely zero support for gun laws being relaxed here: we've seen with horror what that does in your country and have no wish to emulate you in your deadly 'freedom'. Imagine if the London Bridge and Westminster Bridge terrorists had access to guns!!!! Thank you, but if that's 'freedom', you can keep it!

 

[Matt Black]

So how many of our ISIS chums here have used guns in their attacks?

Still laughing? Gun control works and saves lives. Deal with it.

 

[TCassidy]

Gun control works and saves lives. Deal with it.

Yes. It works. For the violent criminals. I makes an entire population vulnerable to attack.

That is the main reason England has a violent crime rate 5 times higher than the US.

 

[Reynolds]

We use our liberty to decline to posses offensive weapons. There is absolutely zero demand for firearm possession to be legalized. I suppose I should qualify that. No doubt members of Daesh wish weapons were more readily available in the UK.
What you use your liberty for for is up to you.

You have always been superior to us American savages. It is amazing that a band of barbarians the like of us beat you in war on more than one occasion.

 

[rsr]

Only once. And that time we had to have the help of the Frogs.

 

[Reynolds]

Only once. And that time we had to have the help of the Frogs.

If you are referencing my post, more than once.

 

[rsr]

Nope, only once. You must be counting the War of 1812 as a victory, but it was a draw at best.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Frogs ?

 

[rsr]

Sorry. Got drawn into the Napoleonic era there.

 

[TCassidy]

Nope, only once. You must be counting the War of 1812 as a victory, but it was a draw at best.

The Battle of New Orleans seems to suggest otherwise?