Another verse that blows ME out of the water

Show me one of Paul's warning passages where the threat is "shall not inherit the Kingdom og God" is "describing the condition of the unsaved."

1 Cor 6:9, 10
Gal 5:21
Eph 5:5
2Thess 1;5

When you get through those, you might understand Rom 2: 3-11; 8:17; 11:21-22;

 

Dude! That was just a tiny pebble. More boulders coming i assure you. But your head is plenty hard, or else you would have already shied away from Accountability teaching.

Lacy

 

Hmmmm.
I showed DHK his error. Proved I was not putting words in his mouth. Even quoted him. And what's this I hear????


crickets.....

 

Jerusalem Cricket
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What foolishness Lacy!
To see how foolish your doctrine is think of it this way. Romans is the longest of all the epistles. It deals with the doctrine of salvation more extensively than any other book of the Bible. It also devotes three chapters to the affairs of Israel. In spite of all of that the "kingdom" means very little to Paul. In fact in the entire epistle he uses the word "kingdom" only one time:

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

And the context here is about ethical matters--not doing those things that would offend your brother. Thus even where the word kingdom is used, it has nothing to do with the salvation, the JSOC, or even the MK. It is used only this one time in the entire epistle.

Paul doesn't talk about the kingdom. But his entire epistle is about salvation. That puts your doctrine of ME at odds with Paul doesn't it?

 

Ok You went and changed my doggone bug.

Bug Changer!!!

Oh sorry.

So are you indeed saying that since all the good doctrines are taught by Paul and Romans is Paul's longest book that we should be able to prove absolutely every single Christian using just the book of Romans?

Do you have a verse for this because even Carl Denson (or any Pauline Dispensationalists, Hyperdispensationalists, or Ultra Hyper Super Duper Dispensationalist I ever read) never took it that far. Can we call this Romanic Dispensationalism? (RD)


Bug Changer!

 

:BangHead: My head is pretty hard! God Bless!

 

Does that mean you don't believe that christ will rule in the future from David's throne?" Is it all Spiritual or is it both? (I'm just trying to see where you are coming from.)

I never limit the phrase at all. I'm fully aware of the spiritual aspects of the KOG/KOH. I also know that the phrase normally refers to the Millennial Kingdom future. There are only a few verses where the Kingdom Universal ("spiritual Kingdom", if you will) is in view. Those are the exceptional verses.

However The Word of God threatens Christians with "losing their inheritance" (Shall not inherir the Kingdom) in the Scriptures I referenced.

So what do you say. Is the warning that if you do the bad things in the list and don't repent you lose your salvation?

 

I say this with a soft voice of concern not anger. The problem boils down to this. You guys who refuse the Kingdom truths need someone to be worse of than you to keep you in heaven. Anytime we see God dealing with folks behaving sinfully, you must make them unsaved to keep a crown on your head. You need people to be bad, sinners to be wicked, and saved to be perfect. Unfortunately, you can't put all of this in a nut shell.

 

Jesus is not presently King. He is our High Priest.
Satan now rules and reigns as Prince here. It is not until Satan is dethroned and Christ puts Himself into the position as King with His bride, that He will be King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Also, as through the O.T. Types, The ruler ruled with His Bride. Where is The Bride of Christ? SHe is yet to be completed. How is He ruling without her?

 

If you are willing to listen to reason here are some of the many reasons why we requested you to use Pauline theology:

1. We were all tired of your circuitous and allegorical interpreations of the parables of Christ. BTW, I got to thinking if this (or the previous) thread was in the Other Denominations forum, Bob Ryan would have been all over you using the same parable you were using, only using it to prove soul sleep and annihilation of the wicked. We don't accept either of your interpretations: ME or annihilation of the wicked. The parables of Christ don't teach either.

2. Both the books of the gospels and the book of Acts are historical accounts--the gospels give us the history of Jesus and Acts, the history of the Apostles. Revelation is an apocalyptic book about things yet to come. Now between Acts and Revelation we have the epistles--didactic doctrinal letters meant to teach the early believers the doctrines that they needed to know. Each epistle is a doctrinal book. James might be considered more practical than doctrinal, nevertheless there is much teaching in James as well. Paul writes more than half of the epistles; he is the most prolific writer in the NT. The book of Romans is a beautiful treaatise on the subject of salvation. If ME is related to salvation it ought to be found in that book. But it is not there. In fact, it is not in any of his books.

3. The reason you find it in the gospels is that Jesus came preaching the gospel of the kingdom. He came to the Jews. But the Jews rejected him, crucifying him instead. As John so succinctly puts it:
"He came to his own but his own received him not." (John 1:11)
He offered them the kingdom; they rejected it. It won't be offered again until he comes in glory with his holy angels at the end of the Tribulation Period. The "Kingdom Gospel" so-called, is no longer preached. Jesus came doing miracles. The Apostle did signs and wonders. All of these have come to an end. (i.e. the sign gifts of the Spirit). The miracles of Jesus demonstrated his deity. The miracles that the Apostles could do authenticated them as messengers of the gospel, and the gospel message as a message from God (1Cor.14:21,22).
Now Christ says. An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. There shall no sign be given unto them but the sign of the prophet Jonah; for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
--There is the gospel message.

The short and sweet of it is that the kingdom message was preached only to the Jews, and they rejected it. So why go to the gospels and try to resurrect a message that has already been rejected and was not directed to us in the first place. We don't find that message in the epistles. It is not the gospel that is preached today, nor preached by Paul. It is not the simple message of John 3:16 either.

 

Jesus said that His kingdom is not of this world. Jesus is King whether you want to call Him that or not, Accountable.

 

Viva la Reina! En Christo, Rey de Reyes!

Vida en el reino, En Christo!

 

1Ti 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
1Ti 6:14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Ti 6:15 which He will bring about at the proper time--He who IS the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him {be} honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

 

1 Cor 6:9, 10
Gal 5:21
Eph 5:5
2Thess 1;5

 

There is no doubt of who He is to me, but I take scripture literally. At this time, He is High Priest. Though I give Him place in my life as my Authority, I know that one day He shall rule with his Bride as King of Kings. If you believe He already has this position, (I don't truly recommend this but) turn on yur one eyed demon and see what the Kings, Emporers, and rulers of this wicked age are up to. I doubt that all have allowed Christ to be ruler over them. God Bless.

 

Amen mi hermano en Cristo. Dios dabe, Dios sabe.