Anti-vax thugs

[JonC]

For those who believe these anti-vaxers are myths.

‘This is absolutely wrong’: Groups harassing Ga. vaccine workers

The Jolt: Anti-vaxxers shut down vaccination event, harass state health workers

Anti-vaxxers bullying slows public health efforts against Covid-19 - STAT

Anti-vaccine groups take dangerous online harassment into the real world

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6151550

Her son died. And then anti-vaxers attacked her - CNN

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article253734403.html

Anti-Vaxxers Won’t Stop Harassing Nurse They’re Convinced Is Dead

The anti-vax agenda is not freedom of choice (many believe that regardless of that choice) but preventing people from choosing to get a vaccination.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Is "Anti-Vaxxer" referring to the group of people in the U.S who don't want 1 particular vaccine, yet typically have all of their other vaccines?

If that is the group you are referring to, then do you believe that most of the people in that group are telling a clearly living nurse that she is actually dead, like in that last article? Or is that perhaps some fringe people with marbles loose?

If you are not referring to the group as a whole, then it would seem that you've merely pointed out that there are fringe members of the "Anti Untested Vaccine" group, which is always true for any group.

However, if you do believe that this is not just fringe elements but is indicative of the whole mindset, then how do you reconcile the vast majority of Baptist Board members, who are in the "Anti Untested Vaccine" group, yet whom do not do any of the "thug-like activities" in those articles?

Are there any articles of "Anti Untested Vaccine" governments barring the Vaccinated from gyms, sports events, stores, or even city borders? No
Are there any articles of the "Vaccinated" governments barring the "Anti Untested Vaccine" group from gyms, sports events, stores and city borders? Yes

Seems like one of those should be shouted from the rooftops, while the other is a non-issue.

 

[dad2]

The anti-vax agenda is not freedom of choice (many believe that regardless of that choice) but preventing people from choosing to get a vaccination.

The pro killing babies for making stuff crowd is not pro choice. The vaccines spawned from research based on this hellish practice of killing children should be warned against. The blatant suppression of alternative treatments by media and governments is the antithesis of freedom. Justifying all this is justifying evil.

 

[JonC]

The pro killing babies for making stuff crowd is not pro choice. The vaccines spawned from research based on this hellish practice of killing children should be warned against. The blatant suppression of alternative treatments by media and governments is the antithesis of freedom. Justifying all this is justifying evil.

What is sinful is manuplating the truth for one's own hellish agenda.

Decades ago scientists decided to use fetal tissue to start the cell lines that are used to test drugs today.

However, the description of ongoing modern fetal tissue harvesting to create vaccines is dishonest sensationalism.

It is amazing that God uses the evil things of men for His purposes - ultimately for His good.

We see this throughout history (the most stark example being our redemption). There are some "Christians" who reject the Cross (who reinvent redemption as a "bloodless atonement") because they cannot imagine God working all things for good....for His glory.

But we serve an Almighty God, and those who have problems reconciling this truth - that God works all things for His good- do not change that truth.

We often can't see how, when in the thick of things, that this is possible. Jeremiah lamented the destruction of Israel and his own persecutions. But God used Bablyon. He turned what Bablyon meant for evil to a good.

It is one thing to lament the evil that men do, and another thing to denounce the good that God brings out of this evil for those who love Him.

 

[Reynolds]

For those who believe these anti-vaxers are myths.

‘This is absolutely wrong’: Groups harassing Ga. vaccine workers

The Jolt: Anti-vaxxers shut down vaccination event, harass state health workers

Anti-vaxxers bullying slows public health efforts against Covid-19 - STAT

Anti-vaccine groups take dangerous online harassment into the real world

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6151550

Her son died. And then anti-vaxers attacked her - CNN

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article253734403.html

Anti-Vaxxers Won’t Stop Harassing Nurse They’re Convinced Is Dead

The anti-vax agenda is not freedom of choice (many believe that regardless of that choice) but preventing people from choosing to get a vaccination.

Jon, what you are doing is equal to the refund police movement. You are judging the all by the few.

 

[JonC]

Jon, what you are doing is equal to the refund police movement. You are judging the all by the few.

No. I am judging the few by their actions.

I am not sure if you noticed, but often those who advocate-support the vaccination are judged by the smaller group that would try to force vaccinations.

Most that I know of who decline the vaccination are not anti-vax as described in this thread. Most I know of who believe the vaccination is beneficial are not pro-vax as they are against forced vaccinations.

I posted this information because on another thread Revmitchell posted the people in the OP here are mythological....that they do not exist.

We complain about pro-vaxers trying to force vaccinations on everyone. The anti-vaxers are their counterpart - trying to prevent people who want a vaccination from getting the shot.

Both are equally wrong.

 

[Andre]

Are there any articles of "Anti Untested Vaccine" governments barring the Vaccinated from gyms, sports events, stores, or even city borders? No

Are there even any such governments? I doubt it. And even if there were, what possible reason could be given for barring vaccinated people?

Are there any articles of the "Vaccinated" governments barring the "Anti Untested Vaccine" group from gyms, sports events, stores and city borders?

Of course, and this makes perfect sense - unvaccinated people needlessly threaten the health of others. And there is no fundamental "right" to go to a movie, or to the gym.

You appear to think there is some sort of hypocrisy or injustice at work here. Please explain precisely why you think it is not appropriate to require proof of vaccination for entry to a non-essential service.

And please do not collapse this matter down to a single dimension or issue such as "freedom". That kind of reasoning, while appealing to the uncritical thinker, is clearly not valid - imagine if I argued that making it illegal for me to spray machine gun fire into a shopping mall constituted an infringement on my freedom. I would be laughed out of the room. And rightly so.

 

[Andre]

I am not sure if you noticed, but often those who advocate-support the vaccination are judged by the smaller group that would try to force vaccinations.

Is there even such a group? I have seen no evidence of anybody advocating enforced vaccination.

Remember, making vaccination a condition of employment does not constitute "forcing one to take the vaccine" any more than requiring employees to be able to meet certain performance standards does not force them to meet those standards.

 

[Andre]

However, the description of ongoing modern fetal tissue harvesting to create vaccines is dishonest sensationalism.

No kidding. If there is one constant in these debates, it is the willingness of those opposed to the Covid vaccine to systematically and consistently lie.

It is interesting, and of course profoundly disturbing, that giving a "pass" to such lying appears to be a consistent practice in Christian online discussion forums. Of course, I am not suggesting people be banned for repeatedly lying. I just think that those of us who call them out on it need the freedom to do so without ourselves being subject to muzzling. I have been banned from a number of forums for politely calling out such lying.

We will see what happens here, I guess.

 

[JonC]

Is there even such a group? I have seen no evidence of anybody advocating enforced vaccination.

Remember, making vaccination a condition of employment does not constitute "forcing one to take the vaccine" any more than requiring employees to be able to meet certain performance standards does not force them to meet those standards.

I have not seen any group, but I have seen a few online articles. For the most part it is fearmongering among the anti-vax folk trying to grow their camp through manuplation.

 

[JonC]

No kidding. If there is one constant in these debates, it is the willingness of those opposed to the Covid vaccine to systematically and consistently lie.

It is interesting, and of course profoundly disturbing, that giving a "pass" to such lying appears to be a consistent practice in Christian online discussion forums. Of course, I am not suggesting people be banned for repeatedly lying. I just think that those of us who call them out on it need the freedom to do so without ourselves being subject to muzzling. I have been banned from a number of forums for politely calling out such lying.

We will see what happens here, I guess.

I absolutely agree. How many times have you seen a Christian who does not want a vaccine call out misinformation from the anti-vaxers? Rarely if ever. They tolerate lies if it supports their view. I'm sure this could work with pro-vaxers as well, but the deliberate dishonesty foes seem very one sided.

 

[dad2]

What is sinful is manuplating the truth for one's own hellish agenda.

Great, so then since thousands of medical experts disagree with the lockdowns and vaccines and etc. those who still push it, by your standard are sinful.

Decades ago scientists decided to use fetal tissue to start the cell lines that are used to test drugs today.

Evil.

However, the description of ongoing modern fetal tissue harvesting to create vaccines is dishonest sensationalism.

No one described that here. Did you make it up?

It is amazing that God uses the evil things of men for His purposes - ultimately for His good.

Yes and also amazing that evil men think they are good.

We see this throughout history (the most stark example being our redemption). There are some "Christians" who reject the Cross (who reinvent redemption as a "bloodless atonement") because they cannot imagine God working all things for good....for His glory.

Nothing to do with this conversation.

But we serve an Almighty God, and those who have problems reconciling this truth - that God works all things for His good- do not change that truth.

He works in mysterious ways. Perhaps all the freedom stealing, baby killing despots will be in for a surprise if Jesus returns to steal us away from the mess. Then the poor folks who did not know right from wrong or good from evil might learn what end is up.

We often can't see how, when in the thick of things, that this is possible. Jeremiah lamented the destruction of Israel and his own persecutions. But God used Bablyon. He turned what Bablyon meant for evil to a good.

Just as a world that declared war on God and His people and nature will all be part of a bigger plan for good.

It is one thing to lament the evil that men do, and another thing to denounce the good that God brings out of this evil for those who love Him.

And yet another thing, apparently to even know the difference.

 

[dad2]

No kidding. If there is one constant in these debates, it is the willingness of those opposed to the Covid vaccine to systematically and consistently lie.

It is interesting, and of course profoundly disturbing, that giving a "pass" to such lying appears to be a consistent practice in Christian online discussion forums. Of course, I am not suggesting people be banned for repeatedly lying. I just think that those of us who call them out on it need the freedom to do so without ourselves being subject to muzzling. I have been banned from a number of forums for politely calling out such lying.

We will see what happens here, I guess.

I must have missed all that lying. I did notice the CDC changing the tune whenever they wanted. I did notice the mass media suppressing other voices and opinions. I did notice some of the leading voices for the lockdown/vaccine agenda have deep vested interests in companies benefiting from all this.

 

[dad2]

No. I am judging the few by their actions.

I am not sure if you noticed, but often those who advocate-support the vaccination are judged by the smaller group that would try to force vaccinations.

Most that I know of who decline the vaccination are not anti-vax as described in this thread. Most I know of who believe the vaccination is beneficial are not pro-vax as they are against forced vaccinations.

I posted this information because on another thread Revmitchell posted the people in the OP here are mythological....that they do not exist.

We complain about pro-vaxers trying to force vaccinations on everyone. The anti-vaxers are their counterpart - trying to prevent people who want a vaccination from getting the shot.

Both are equally wrong.

Not if the vaccine turns out to be deadly over time. If that were the case, then those who suggested people not walk off that cliff were saving lives.

 

[JonC]

Great, so then since thousands of medical experts disagree with the lockdowns and vaccines and etc. those who still push it, by your standard are sinful.


Evil.

No one described that here. Did you make it up?

Yes and also amazing that evil men think they are good.

Nothing to do with this conversation.

He works in mysterious ways. Perhaps all the freedom stealing, baby killing despots will be in for a surprise if Jesus returns to steal us away from the mess. Then the poor folks who did not know right from wrong or good from evil might learn what end is up.

Just as a world that declared war on God and His people and nature will all be part of a bigger plan for good.

And yet another thing, apparently to even know the difference.

1. We can also find thousands of medical experts advocating masks and vaccines. Yes, it is sinful to push your opinion (even if you just borrow it from someone you like) on other people.

You do not know if the "exoerts" you agree with are correct or if the thousands of medical experts who disagree with you are correct.

You are not qualified to make the determination to push your view on another person regarding that person's health.

2. Yes, it has been presented on the BB that the vacvine is sinful because they tested it using cells generated from fetuses decades ago.

3. I seriously doubt God values the freedoms granted to you by your nation bear as much as you cling to those "rights". For a Christian rights are something set aside for another person- not something to be taken up.

4. You do not know if the vovid vaccines are a gift from God or not. You would do better to make your own decisions about your health and let others make their own without trying to persuade them by your "expert" opinion.

 

[JonC]

Not if the vaccine turns out to be deadly over time. If that were the case, then those who suggested people not walk off that cliff were saving lives.

But you do not know what the future holds. You are pretending to be a prophet, but what if you are wrong and those you persuade die because they believed your conclusions? Would you take responsibility or would you pass the buck to the "experts" you chose to belueve?

 

[Andre]

I must have missed all that lying.

Well, here is one such lie:

13,000 Deaths, Nearly 600,000 Adverse Events Reported After COVID Vaccines, as Debate Heats Up Over

Want me to post more?

I did notice the CDC changing the tune whenever they wanted.

You are making this up - you have zero evidence that changes from the CDC are capricious.

 

[dad2]

1. We can also find thousands of medical experts advocating masks and vaccines. Yes, it is sinful to push your opinion (even if you just borrow it from someone you like) on other people.

It is not sin to preach truth actually. I need nothing more than the fact that murdered babies were used in the research that was used for the vaccines.

You do not know if the "exoerts" you agree with are correct or if the thousands of medical experts who disagree with you are correct.

And until I do I will continue to assume the medical system that mass murders babies and the known liars in politics and media are suspect and not to be blindly believed, thank you very much.

You are not qualified to make the determination to push your view on another person regarding that person's health.

Yes I am eminently qualified to declare that killing babies and using the dead bodies for research is not of God. I am also qualified to know that proven liars need not be believed no matter how loud they yell.

2. Yes, it has been presented on the BB that the vacvine is sinful because they tested it using cells generated from fetuses decades ago.

That does it alright. Case closed.

3. I seriously doubt God values the freedoms granted to you by your nation bear as much as you cling to those "rights". For a Christian rights are something set aside for another person- not something to be taken up.

Chapter and verse?

4. You do not know if the vovid vaccines are a gift from God or not

Yes I do. They are not of God because they slaughtered babies and those that push them are often involved in that as well. (such as the medical profession in general)

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You would do better to make your own decisions about your health and let others make their own without trying to persuade them by your "expert" opinion.

I am one that knows God from Satan and truth from lie and good from evil. That'll do er.

 

[dad2]

But you do not know what the future holds. You are pretending to be a prophet, but what if you are wrong and those you persuade die because they believed your conclusions? Would you take responsibility or would you pass the buck to the "experts" you chose to belueve?

Of course I know what the future holds. Speak for yourself. God told us six ways from Sunday. No one needs to take responsibility for what God told us. He does that. People that read the bible are not 'pretending to be a prophet'.

 

[Revmitchell]

For the record I posted that anti vax totalitarianism is a myth. The op has nothing to do with totalitarianism. Once again my posts are intentionally being misrepresented. Not Christian behavior.