You can call flipping your story whatever you like. Your article cites numbers of reactions. I do not think truth about this can be known in the oppressive environment we are in today. Covid deaths might be something else, but they also have covid, for example. Deaths or reactions from the vaccine might not be reported as such. The true danger might lie ahead for the vaxxed, we don't really know. What I can say is that it seems to me that the numbers we are given on the media are somewhat suspect.
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It seems to you?
Does it "seem to you" that only 10 people died in a plane crash when the reporters say 200 died?
Does it "seem to you" that smoking does not, in fact, cause cancer despite what the experts tell us?
Does it "seem to you" that there was election fraud in November 2020 when the courts of land determined otherwise?
It seems to me that you are setting yourself up as an expert in medical matters that are as above your pay grade as they are above mine. Besides, it is not only the media that are giving us numbers - the experts themselves are speaking directly to us.
I do not understand the denial. It seems almost delusional.
Over the past 2 months we lost 4 employees to covid out of the 11 hospitalized. Unvaccinated.
We just lost 2 city police officers (one 30 years old, one 43). Unvaccinated.
Yesterday a child died in Augusta from covid.
This week we lost a 28 year old woman who worked at tge 911 center to covid. Unvaccinated.
Last month we lost 2 teachers in the school system where my wife works to covid. Unvaccinated.
This is just recently and in my community alone.
My county has lost 256 people to covid.
Last month they lost one of their radio hosts who minimized the virus to covid. Unvaccinated.
We have too many Nelson's, putting the blind eye to the scope.
PRECISELY!!!!!
And with all the political brouhaha (both pro & anti) being spouted, unless you (generic "you") are a medical expert yourself, there is no way for you to know - which is where the guidance of the HS is required.
If you are not a Christian, it's a crap shoot!
Experts are a dime a dozen and do not agree with each other. They are like lawyers in a case for hire to support the side they are hired to support. One expert from Pfizer for example who was supposedly the chief scientist has switched sides.
Former Pfizer Chief Scientist claims Covid-19 pandemic effectively over, no need for any vaccine
Will you listen to what that expert tells you? I looked up why a covid death was declared in some places some time ago. As long as covid was a contributing factor the death was placed in the covid death numbers. Do you think that is honest? One does not need to be an expert diesel mechanic to avoid playing on the freeway! One does not need to be a pilot to avoid sleeping on a runway. There are old folks homes fully vaxxed that get outbreaks. There was a cruise ship with all staff and paxs fully vaxxed that got infected. There are some places where most of the infected are said to be the vaxxed. As for election fraud, all one has to do is look at the obstructions to getting at the truth that have been raised every step of the way when trying to get at the truth. It is no wonder that a great many people do not believe a lying word the baby killing nature defying God fighting governments say when they pulpit pound the vax agenda. (while at the same time suppress other opinions)
This is deeply misleading.
Almost all experts agree on many things:
- smoking is bad
- vegetables are good
- drinking impairs driving skill
- vaccines save lives.
Yes, it is very honest. The explanation is rather complicated but there has been no dishonesty or misrepresentation. Later, if time permits, I can offer the explanation - it is rather complicated.
You are obviously cherry-picking cases where we do not really need an expert.
But, obviously we need experts when it comes to assessing covid and covid-vaccine issues.
The primary goal of the vaccine is to prevent serious illness and death - this matters a lot more than preventing infection.
Details please - provide an example.
Vague - what obstructions?
Since there are many experts who disagree, it is fact. Your claims of it being misleading are false. Maybe it does not lead us in the way you want us to go. Nor would I place the experimental treatment in the category of a vaccine. It is a rushed plunge into the unknown. Some 'experts' fear it could affect reproduction. Others fear it may even be dangerous in the longer term. It is misleading to suppress other possible treatments and voices questioning the lockdown/endless vaccine agenda.
Profoundly deceptive, of course.
Even if there are "many" experts who disagree with the vaccines, they are a tiny minority.
Surely you must know this.
So how are we not forced to conclude that you are intentionally attempting to mislead?
Maybe start with this scenario. A man dies in a motorcycle accident. His body tests positive (are the tests reliable anyhow?) for covid. Is there any place where this could be filed as a covid related death?
Experts that agree with each other would be nice. Experts that fight theft of freedom and mass starvation useless lockdowns might be nice. Experts heavily invested in medical research, including labs that may have dealt with covid? No.
If other treatments are claimed to be as or almost as effective as the vaccines (and vaccines lose effectiveness with variants apparently anyhow) it is not saving lives to ramrod vaccines!
Carnival Cruise Covid-19 Outbreak: 27 Vaccinated People Test Positive For Coronavirus
Some doctors have recommended alternatives and were threatened.
Either experts are experts or not. They agree or not. Your shrill false allegations are telling.
Yes, this would be counted as a covid death.
And while this seems deceptive, and has no doubt profoundly triggered the anti-vaxxers, this is perfectly reasonable.
Apparently, at one point at least, all deaths occurring within 28 days of a positive covid test were counted as covid deaths. True, this looks suspicious.
But, of course, it is not.
To count all deaths of people within 28 days of receiving a positive tests - even if they are hit by a bus - as a covid death does not necessarily result in over-counting if there are reasons to expect that these over-counts will be be offset by under-counts. For example: people who factually die from covid after 28 days are not counted as covid deaths. And people who factually die from covid but are never tested are not counted either.
The bottom line is this: for all their bluster, the anti-vaxxers have no case that the counting system is problematic even though, yes, covid-positive people who die in a motorcycle accident are counted as covid deaths.
Misleading.
Here is what you wrote originally that I challenged you on:
There are some places where most of the infected are said to be the vaxxed.
The clear implication is that the vaccinated sometimes are doing worse than the vaccinated.
What you artfully conceal in your "Carnival Cruise" headline is that almost everyone on board was vaccinated.
Well, obviously, the people who are going to get sick are going to be vaccinated people!
Again, your implication was that there are places where the vaxxed are getting infected more than the unvaxxed. Your example of the cruise would only be relevant if there were unvaxxed people on board - then, and only then, would could you compare infections between the vaxxed and unvaxxed.
But you are unwilling to self-identify to answer the question "So you mean lying by Christians, right?"
You just admitted fraud in the counts. Then you plead that maybe it balances out by some twisted reasoning that has no basis in reality. What is real is that the death counts are a crock. I suspect that the problems from getting vaccines are not reported right either.
I have seen articles citing most of the infected were vaccinated. I am surprised you claim this is news to you. Here is one article that seems to suggest vaccines may not be the most wonderful thing
"people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine and still got infected were eight times more likely to be infected with the South African variant compared to infected people who were unvaccinated"
Pfizer Vaccine Shows Reduced Effectiveness Against COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows
Let me guess you don't like the news outlet?
Oh and here is another cruise ship article
https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/08/13/carnival-vista-cruise-covid-cases/
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