Anti-vax thugs

[JonC]

This suggests the vaccine is less effective against the South African variant, compared with the original coronavirus and a variant first identified in Britain that has come to comprise nearly all COVID-19 cases in Israel, the researchers said.

The researchers said the study was not intended to assess overall vaccine effectiveness against any variant, since it only looked at people who had already tested positive for COVID-19, not at overall infection rates.

Separate real-world Israeli studies on the vaccine's overall effectiveness, including by Clalit, have shown the Pfizer shot to be more than 90% effective.


South African variant may 'break through' Pfizer vaccine protection, but vaccine highly effective, Israeli study says

 

[dad2]

This suggests the vaccine is less effective against the South African variant, compared with the original coronavirus and a variant first identified in Britain that has come to comprise nearly all COVID-19 cases in Israel, the researchers said.

The researchers said the study was not intended to assess overall vaccine effectiveness against any variant, since it only looked at people who had already tested positive for COVID-19, not at overall infection rates.

Separate real-world Israeli studies on the vaccine's overall effectiveness, including by Clalit, have shown the Pfizer shot to be more than 90% effective.


South African variant may 'break through' Pfizer vaccine protection, but vaccine highly effective, Israeli study says

"MailOnline headline on 13 June read: “Study shows 29% of the 42 people who have died after catching the new strain had BOTH vaccinations.” In Public Health England’s technical briefing on 25 June, that figure had risen to 43% (50 of 117), with the majority (60%) having received at least one dose."

Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

 

[JonC]

"MailOnline headline on 13 June read: “Study shows 29% of the 42 people who have died after catching the new strain had BOTH vaccinations.” In Public Health England’s technical briefing on 25 June, that figure had risen to 43% (50 of 117), with the majority (60%) having received at least one dose."

Why most people who now die with Covid in England have had a vaccination | David Spiegelhalter and Anthony Masters

I don't doubt it. If 100% of the population were vaccinated then 100% of the covid deaths would be vaccinated people. This data can support both pro-vax and anti-vax agendas.

Here in the US populations with higher unvacvinated are experiencing higher death rates.

Over 95% of CSRA deaths are unvacvinated (which is high even considering a high unvaccination rate).

100% of the deaths in my area over the last 2 months have been unvacvinated people.

To complicate things we mow have varients coming out of unvacvinated areas.

 

[dad2]

I don't doubt it. If 100% of the population were vaccinated then 100% of the covid deaths would be vaccinated people. This data can support both pro-vax and anti-vax agendas.

Here in the US populations with higher unvacvinated are experiencing higher death rates.

Over 95% of CSRA deaths are unvacvinated (which is high even considering a high unvaccination rate).

100% of the deaths in my area over the last 2 months have been unvacvinated people.

To complicate things we mow have varients coming out of unvacvinated areas.

When vaccines become less effective, that means basically, that vaccines are of little value probably going on into the future with variants popping up all the time. One reason they could not vaccinate against the common cold I heard was that it changes. Not sure why all this nazi style pressure/threats to have people get the needles.

 

[JonC]

When vaccines become less effective, that means basically, that vaccines are of little value probably going on into the future with variants popping up all the time. One reason they could not vaccinate against the common cold I heard was that it changes. Not sure why all this nazi style pressure/threats to have people get the needles.

Yea, we get new flu viruses every year.

Part of the reason some are pro-vax is to prevent or slow down varients. But the issue is we can never be that efficient.

I suspect covid is here to stay and we will have annual shots around like with the flu.

Another reason for the pro-vaxers that want to hold you down and jab ya in the arm is the anti-vaxers.....and vise-versa - they react off one another.

But sometimes groups are ill-defined. I am vaccinated and believe it is the best choice. I also have no problem with certain employments (health care, for one) requiring a vaccination. But I do not support lying to people to get them vaccinated or making vaccinations manditory on a general level.

At the same time, many who do not believe the vaccine works (or thinks the risks are too great) and oppose any kind of required vaccinations are not anti-vax. They also do not support lying.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Of course I know what the future holds. Speak for yourself. God told us six ways from Sunday. No one needs to take responsibility for what God told us. He does that. People that read the bible are not 'pretending to be a prophet'.

Amen

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yea, we get new flu viruses every year.

Part of the reason some are pro-vax is to prevent or slow down varients. But the issue is we can never be that efficient.

I suspect covid is here to stay and we will have annual shots around like with the flu.

Another reason for the pro-vaxers that want to hold you down and jab ya in the arm is the anti-vaxers.....and vise-versa - they react off one another.

But sometimes groups are ill-defined. I am vaccinated and believe it is the best choice. I also have no problem with certain employments (health care, for one) requiring a vaccination. But I do not support lying to people to get them vaccinated or making vaccinations manditory on a general level.

At the same time, many who do not believe the vaccine works (or thinks the risks are too great) and oppose any kind of required vaccinations are not anti-vax. They also do not support lying.

I like this, ‘The Fauci Flu’ …. Wonder what his real net worth is? Imagine, every pharmacy will be asking you if you have received your latest Fauci ouchy. Well, Jamie Diamond will be pleased

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Is there even such a group? I have seen no evidence of anybody advocating enforced vaccination.

Remember, making vaccination a condition of employment does not constitute "forcing one to take the vaccine" any more than requiring employees to be able to meet certain performance standards does not force them to meet those standards.

You’d be looking up the open end of a shotgun barrel if you try.

 

[JonC]

I like this, ‘The Fauci Flu’ …. Wonder what his real net worth is? Imagine, every pharmacy will be asking you if you have received your latest Fauci ouchy. Well, Jamie Diamond will be pleased

"Fauchi ouchy".......I like that.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"Fauchi ouchy".......I like that.

Better than the “jab” comment that’s ubiquitous these days

 

[JonC]

Better than the “jab” comment that’s ubiquitous these days

Is that a jab???

 

[SGO]

Hey Jon, let's do some more jabberwocky.

You said in the other thread:

"That is called being polite (the exact opposite of your persona insult here).

Does it make you feel better to insult me?

Do you believe it makes you look more godly to insult another human being?

Does it make you feel bigger to try and hurt other people? Stronger?"



Why don't you try holding those statements to a mirror?

You always say something like, "Don't I get to have my own opinion?"

I say of course you do so why do you sense or mine?

Please don't try to say, "I never did."

I'll tell you what.

You have said you never have banned a standing member, but then said if I were to post a suggestive photo you would be happy to ban me.

I'm not going to do that but I'm sure it would be a chance for you to remove this gnat.

I have broken forum rules for publicly complaining about mod behavior.

Why don't you ban me for that?

No more suggesting I leave the forum (2x).

If you want to keep your ban record clean, get some of your buds to do it for you.

Any of them will be pleased to do it for you.

You can even say instead of calling me names or disparaging me,


"Who opposeth and exalteth himself"

Just think!

No more editing or erasing entire posts you don't like.

Yeah Jon, just say that I, SGO, am a bad guy.

Disclaimer: Positions I argue may not be my own.

 

[JonC]

Hey Jon, let's do some more jabberwocky.

You said in the other thread:

"That is called being polite (the exact opposite of your persona insult here).

Does it make you feel better to insult me?

Do you believe it makes you look more godly to insult another human being?

Does it make you feel bigger to try and hurt other people? Stronger?"



Why don't you try holding those statements to a mirror?

You always say something like, "Don't I get to have my own opinion?"

I say of course you do so why do you sense or mine?

Please don't try to say, "I never did."

I'll tell you what.

You have said you never have banned a standing member, but then said if I were to post a suggestive photo you would be happy to ban me.

I'm not going to do that but I'm sure it would be a chance for you to remove this gnat.

I have broken forum rules for publicly complaining about mod behavior.

Why don't you ban me for that?

No more suggesting I leave the forum (2x).

If you want to keep your ban record clean, get some of your buds to do it for you.

Any of them will be pleased to do it for you.

You can even say instead of calling me names or disparaging me,


"Who opposeth and exalteth himself"

Just think!

No more editing or erasing entire posts you don't like.

Yeah Jon, just say that I, SGO, am a bad guy.

Disclaimer: Positions I argue may not be my own.

No, SGO, I never said you were a bad guy. I am sorry you took my suggestion as an insult (it certainly was not meant that way).

What I was saying is that participation on online forums is not something that should make someone feel vulnerable. If you find that you are truly breing injured on a discussion board then I believe the best response is to withdraw from the format.

Typically people respond to posts (most of the time there is no personal relationship).

Think of it this way - if you were to read a book and that book hurt you, then simply close the book.

That was all I am saying.

Yes. If you were to post pornography I would ban you (actually I would remove the post, give you 4 points, and ask an administrator to ban you). I would suggest not posting pornography, if that is what you are getting at. It was not an invitation but a statement that there are extreme circumstances where I would want someone banned (and yes, I've seen enough people posting pornography here).

I do not want you banned for insulting how I moderate this forum. Perhaps you broke the rules, I'm not sure. But I'm not complaining. Sometimes it us just better to let people post whatever they post and see what character comes out.

I take it this is the reason you feel justified in insulting me.

You said my withdrawal from voting caused you harm. I believe you - BUT I do not believe that was my fault. I did not advocate you stop voting - I just shared why I do not vote.

When you insult me - try to hurt me - does that make you feel better....or somehow vindicated?

 

[SGO]

You would not believe me any way if I told you I am not trying to insult you.

You never actually used the word "bad" but did say demeaning things about me.

JonC does not see the effect sarcastic and misstated position posts have on weaklings like me and others, who in spite of that, love the Baptist Board.

I can say almost whatever I like because I think it is helping you to give better rebuttals and I really want to help you:

Disclaimer: Positions I argue may not be my own.

I can sort of take some of it now but when the post that contained my personal opinion in rant form was sense or ed, that did it for me.

Especially when the admin said the BB has no covid policy.


I have another thuggestion:

Why don't you mods and admins post your opinions under neutral id, no colors, hammers, titles: MODERATOR, ADMINISTRATOR and be subject to ridicule and/or abuse like the rest of us are?

I am not thuggesting you give up your positions and powers, just separate your opinions from them.

Don't make policies from opinions.

Give free speech a real chance, but not heresy.

 

[JonC]

You would not believe me any way if I told you I am not trying to insult you.

JonC does not see the effect sarcastic and misstated position posts have on weaklings like me and others, who in spite of that, love the Baptist Board.

This whole dispute (me hurting you) was about my unwillness to vote because you thought I should.

Look, I am sincerely sorry that you believe my choice to withdraw from being politically active harmes you. But I am not sorry enough to change my convictions.

I have never recommended that you abstain from voting - I just explained why I no longer do.

You talk about freedom of speech but complain that I say why I don't vote. This foes not make sense to me so I just let it go.

Then here you come again being abusive and insulting.

Does abusing other people make you feel strong?
Does insulting me make you feel more godly?

If trying to hurt me does bring you closer to God then I will not persuade you otherwise. If bring abusive to other people makes you more like Christ then continue. That said, I question that it does. But you ate not accountable to me. So that is just something for you to consider.

 

[SGO]

Hey Jon, you are misstating again.

You do not want to vote, fine.

But you have said Christians should not be involved in secular politics.

You choose to ignore that people vote because they have been influenced.

You are all over the political threads on this forum, which deal with many secular issues, and are always giving opinions and actually telling us what we should do as good Christians.

That is blatant political influencing.

Don't get involved in secular politics, OK, then don't tell us what is right on the issues, and then chide those who don't agree with you.

You don't think you chide anyone?

This whole argument you make above is about your decision not to vote when it really is about your taking away my freedom to state my opinion.

That is how you twist things, so you always come out as the offended party and the victim of a vendetta.

Wanna call me a whiner again?

Whiner or loser you do not have the right to sense or me.

You never acknowledged that either because all you would do is deny, deny, deny.

Make up another scenario about all you want to do is make us better debaters.

No comment on the thuggestion of being a regular person on the forum?

Disclaimer: Positions I argue may not be my own.

"We should always argue positions in such a way as to help the opposing view develop their own arguments."

...then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods,
knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:5b

 

[JonC]

Hey Jon, you are misstating again.

You do not want to vote, fine.

But you have said Christians should not be involved in secular politics.

No. What I have said is that I believe Christians should not be involved in secular politics. I believe this detracts from the gospel.

You have said that you believe Christians should be involved in politics and even implied obedience demanded such involvement.

Then you said that me voicing my convictions injured you.

If this is true, then would not your voicing your convictions be just as injurious to those who don't share them?

This is a discussion board. I do not apologize for stating my beliefs and am in no way offended that you state yours.

This is where discussiocoshoukd begin. But you just cry out "you injured me by stating your belief!", effectively ending any possibility of an honest dialogue.

If my stating my own convictions on a discussion board causes you any type of emotional injury, especially enough for you to become so abusive towards Christians, then perhaps you should consider your involvement.

 

[SGO]

No. What I have said is that I believe Christians should not be involved in secular politics. I believe this detracts from the gospel.

You have said that you believe Christians should be involved in politics and even implied obedience demanded such involvement.

Then you said that me voicing my convictions injured you.

If this is true, then would not your voicing your convictions be just as injurious to those who don't share them?

This is a discussion board. I do not apologize for stating my beliefs and am in no way offended that you state yours.

This is where discussiocoshoukd begin. But you just cry out "you injured me by stating your belief!", effectively ending any possibility of an honest dialogue.

If my stating my own convictions on a discussion board causes you any type of emotional injury, especially enough for you to become so abusive towards Christians, then perhaps you should consider your involvement.

That quote, "But you just cry out "you injured me by stating your belief!" is not from me.

You are too twisty for me.

You sure smell good though.

Everybody sees I am persecuting you,

you said so in as many words yourself.

It's my emotional injury and your sense or ship.

State your convictions as much as you want just don't sen sore me for doing the same.

What, yet another invite to leave "then perhaps you should consider your involvement."?

Even this quote:

"Disclaimer: Positions I argue may mot be my own."

is from you and is your license to misrepresent yourself to make all of us better.

You probably saw that when I used it and tried to turn it against me for your argument.

Still no acknowledgement of any wrongdoing on your part, always "inadvertent" if you do say you went over the line.

Talk about honesty all you want just don't censor personal opinions where the BB has no policy.

Disclaimer: I like to play the word games on BB but do not drink whine.

Whine not?

"We should always argue positions in such a way as to help the opposing view develop their own arguments."

...then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods,
knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:5b

 

[JonC]

That quote, "But you just cry out "you injured me by stating your belief!" is not from me.

You are too twisty for me.

You sure smell good though.

Everybody sees I am persecuting you,

you said so in as many words yourself.

It's my emotional injury and your sense or ship.

State your convictions as much as you want just don't sen sore me for doing the same.

What, yet another invite to leave "then perhaps you should consider your involvement."?

Even this quote:

"Disclaimer: Positions I argue may mot be my own."

is from you and is your license to misrepresent yourself to make all of us better.

You probably saw that when I used it and tried to turn it against me for your argument.

Still no acknowledgement of any wrongdoing on your part, always "inadvertent" if you do say you went over the line.

Talk about honesty all you want just don't censor personal opinions where the BB has no policy.

Disclaimer: I like to play the word games on BB but do not drink whine.

Whine not?

"We should always argue positions in such a way as to help the opposing view develop their own arguments."

...then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods,
knowing good and evil.
Genesis 3:5b

I am not being twisty. I mean exactly what I post.

When I said that I believe Christians should not be involved in secular politics that is exactly what I mean.

You said my convictions cause you injury. I cannot help that (I will serve God, not man....you will not persuade me to abandon my conscious to disobey God).

But at the same time I said that this is my own conviction. Consider me the weaker brother.... the one who cannot vote with a good conscience.

You could not just do that. Because of my convictions you have constantly been abusive to me, insulted me at every turn, and twisted everything I say into something to complain about.

I said if being here causes you emotional injury then it would be best for you not to be here as this board is not that important. You took that as an attack. It was not.

You took my belief that Christians shouldn't be involved in secular politics as an attack. It was not.

But you have constantly posted insults against me.

I do not understand your need to be s abusive, so hurtful, towards Christians simply because they disagree with you.

What do you get out of abusing other Christians?
Is it the format (that you think it does not count if it is online)?

I take it from your posts that while you may have an abusive nature you are probably not an abusive person. Is this just your outlet - an opportunity to din where otherwise you would remain silent?

I just do not get how you can be so insulting towards other human beings, Christian or not.

 

[SGO]

JonC,

You are not always right,

but very skillful in deflecting.

The issue that caused this flare up has been avoided.

Please do not sense or free speech about kkkovid when the BB does not have a kkkovid policy.