Antifa Member Admits to Being Paid to Break into Capital Building

[JonC]

It’s only being spouted by those who place so much of their self identity into politics.

It is concerning to me that so many of these placing their self-identity in politics are Christians. I understand recognizing what is going on around us, but I do not understand this need some have to be of this world rather than the Kingdom (we cannot be both....there is no room for one foot in the Kingdom and the other in the World).

 

[robustheologian]

Being toxic against sin is a good thing. Do you endorse sin?

No, I don't...which is why didn't vote for Trump.

 

[timtofly]

No, I don't...which is why didn't vote for Trump.

Yet you endorse the rights of others to sin.

 

[robustheologian]

Yet you endorse the rights of others

Yes, I endorse the right of others...unlike MAGA nation.

 

[timtofly]

Yes, I endorse the right of others...unlike MAGA nation.

So the right to sin is much better than sinning naturally? Natural sin can be forgiven. God cannot forgive those who give themselves the right to sin.

 

[Baptist Believer]

And of course the liberals will ignore this: Utah Man with a History of Organizing Violent Antifa, BLM Protests, Was Inside the Capitol

No one is ignoring it. Last summer it was clear that right-wing extremists were infiltrating BLM protests to provoke riots. He seems to me to be one of those persons, although it is hard to tell what he actually believes.

Nobody is denying that fringe Trump supporters were in the Capitol.

Actually, I've heard a lot of people claim that, but your mileage may vary.

However, they do not represent the base.

I certainly agree that they don't represent the majority of Trump's base, but they are a significant part of it.

Nor do I think they were the planners/instigators. I think they joined in.

Why would a left-ring crowd try to disrupt the official certification of the election of Biden in favor of Trump? That makes no sense at all. Moreover, this Sullivan character is the only real evidence of someone who is not a die-hard Trumper who has been arrested.

How could one man without any platform or public visibility get crowds of people on multiple sides of the Capitol to attack police officers and beat them with their Trump flags and fire extinguishers?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Yet you endorse the rights of others to sin.

God gives all human beings that right/ability. Good parents give their children room to make mistakes and learn from them so they will know that what is true is also ultimately good and reliable. Moral failure eventually demonstrates that the moral goodness is far preferable. Non-Judeo-Christian philosophers and moral teachers all recognize the virtue of moral goodness. The hitch to all of the non-Christian systems or morality is that no one could figure out how to build consistent moral character motivated by love instead of simply duty and social pressure. But Jesus solved that question by His teaching, His example, His transforming work of redemption, and the indwelling work of the Spirit.

The United States has a secular government, by design. Christians, especially Baptists, pushed for this to provide maximum freedom for the church so it would not be corrupted by worldly power or repressed by the government.

But many Baptists today fell for Trump's offer in January 2016, when he promised, if he were elected, "Christianity will have power." Apparently they forgot everything that Jesus said about the power and authority He has given to us (if they ever knew it), and gave into fears about the world around them. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and discipline (2 Timothy 1:7). But it is clear that many "Christians" embrace fear-mongering and are weak in love and discipline/discipleship, and therefore look to Donald Trump to do what they don't trust Jesus to do.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Yeah, so toxic that America voted for Democrats to control every branch of government now.

Have you not read wide is the gate and broad is the road leading-away to destruction— and MANY are the ones entering through it. I find your theology severely lacking.

 

[Reynolds]

Can't be.Trump was at the head of the line. Busted the doors down himself. ANTIFA involvement? Never!

 

[Reynolds]

I was thinking the same thing. We know at least two were conservative Republicans supporting Trump wearing riot gear and one said it was to show their strength (not to hurt police).

I'm sure Antifa was there as well....but so what?

ANTIFA involvement undermines the basis of the impeachment.

 

[Reynolds]

We aren't talking about a SMALL fringe group of people. Democrats, in general, have been toxic the last four years.

Toxic since Reagan era Actually.

 

[JonC]

ANTIFA involvement undermines the basis of the impeachment.

I do not see how. The impeachment was political stupidity from the start.

The presence of Antifa does not remove the responsibility Trump and Biden equally share for the incident.

 

[Reynolds]

I do not see how. The impeachment was political stupidity from the start.

The presence of Antifa does not remove the responsibility Trump and Biden equally share for the incident.

Trump shares no responsibility. Had Trump wanted an invasion of the Capital, It would still be occupied. Chew on that a minute.

 

[JonC]

Trump shares no responsibility. Had Trump wanted an invasion of the Capital, It would still be occupied. Chew on that a minute.

He did not want the invasion (neither did Biden). Others took advantage of the situation Trump and Biden created.

Leaders are responsible for the things they say - even when they are not held responsible. Had Trump defused the issue (which was in his power) rather than spreading disinformation to keep emotions high with his base, then perhaps Trump would not bear any responsibility. But that was not the case. Both Trump and Biden contributed to the issue.

 

[Reynolds]

He did not want the invasion (neither did Biden). Others took advantage of the situation Trump and Biden created.

Leaders are responsible for the things they say - even when they are not held responsible. Had Trump defused the issue (which was in his power) rather than spreading disinformation to keep emotions high with his base, then perhaps Trump would not bear any responsibility. But that was not the case. Both Trump and Biden contributed to the issue.

I don't think Trump spread any disinformation. My congressional sources in Ga tell me Trump is right and Ratburger is wrong. It will come out in its full nastiness very quickly. If you believe Ratburger, you are believing the wrong man. His name is not to be properly uttered in Ga. He is now officially the rat.
I don't buy the conspiracy junk with A and all that stuff. Mark my words, the Ga steal will be revealed. The Consent decree is proof enough that ga SOS violated the Ga Constitution. That FACT is not in dispute. The election was unconstitutional.
If he did spread disinformation, he has a 1A right to do it.

 

[JonC]

I don't think Trump spread and disinformation. My congressional sources in Ga tell me Trump is right and Ratburger is wrong. It will come out in its full nastiness very quickly. If you believe Ratburger, you are believing the wrong man. His name is not to be properly uttered in Ga. He is now officially the rat.

Trump said that it was within Pence's power to stop Congress from recognizing the votes of the electors. This was disinformation.

 

[Reynolds]

He did not want the invasion (neither did Biden). Others took advantage of the situation Trump and Biden created.

Leaders are responsible for the things they say - even when they are not held responsible. Had Trump defused the issue (which was in his power) rather than spreading disinformation to keep emotions high with his base, then perhaps Trump would not bear any responsibility. But that was not the case. Both Trump and Biden contributed to the issue.

Pelosi and Mitch wanted it. They both denied Capital police request for National Guard. If anyone is responsible, it's those two zombies.

 

[Reynolds]

Trump said that it was within Pence's power to stop Congress from recognizing the votes of the electors. This was disinformation.

According to Constitutional scholars, it's not disinformation. The 1887 Electoral count act has questionable Constitutionality

 

[timtofly]

But many Baptists today fell for Trump's offer in January 2016, when he promised, if he were elected, "Christianity will have power." Apparently they forgot everything that Jesus said about the power and authority He has given to us (if they ever knew it), and gave into fears about the world around them. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and discipline (2 Timothy 1:7). But it is clear that many "Christians" embrace fear-mongering and are weak in love and discipline/discipleship, and therefore look to Donald Trump to do what they don't trust Jesus to do.

Today is not the issue. Many Baptist already corrupted their moral positions back in the 50's and 60's. That is how the DNC became so powerful and popular. You cannot blame society on the last 4 years. It was already corrupted 50 years ago. Many Christians put their faith and trust in the DNC then instead of trusting God and His Word.

 

[JonC]

Pelosi and Mitch wanted it. They both denied Capital police request for National Guard. If anyone is responsible, it's those two zombies.

They do share responsibility.