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Antisemitism in Britain

church mouse guy

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...but Jewish terrorists are not really terrorists...they're 'guerillas', right?

What do you called the Brits? They disobeyed their own League of Nations mandate. And their naming of the Grand Mufti?

If you believe in the pre-trib rapture, you are a Zionist by your definition.

I think that Labour just wants the Islamic vote like the Democrats here. Did you get your head cut off--just workplace violence and has nothing to do with the religion of peace.
 

kyredneck

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If you believe in the pre-trib rapture, you are a Zionist by your definition.

I do not believe in the 'pre-trib rapture'. The 'great tribulation' occurred a very long time ago:

21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24

...and I am no Zionist.
 

church mouse guy

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I do not believe in the 'pre-trib rapture'. The 'great tribulation' occurred a very long time ago:

21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24

...and I am no Zionist.

I don't think that dispensationalists are Zionists per se. Actually, I have read that Jews dislike Fundamentalists and Evangelicals because they think that support for Israel is a attempt at proselytzation. Most Jews are liberal Democrats.
 

Covenanter

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Does Labour need Islamic votes to win? The Democrats do and that is the reason that they kowtow to a nut like Louis Farrakhan.
Not necessarily - we need the underprivileged of all religions & ethnicity together with elderly & young to realise that Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn & his team offer practical policies for a future for the vast majority of the country. Taxes are paid by employed people & pensioners & avoided by the rich & corporations - including Teresa May's husband who runs a tax avoidance company.

The Israeli guerrillas fought the British from 1944 to 1948, as you know. Also, Britain has had an unfortunate history with the Jews, including expulsion.
The British Empire was responsible for the oppression & exploitation of many countries & was generally tolerant of various religions. After WW2 attempts to hold on the the Empire meant military commitment to oppress rather than rule countries that sought independence. IMO that attempt to suppress rather than working with responsible leaders resulted in freedom fighters (aka guerrillas) resorting to terrorism & the resultant independent countries being unfriendly to Britain.

In view if the Balfour Declaration, the situation in Palestine should have resulted in a situation where Jews could find a safe haven & peaceful coexistence with the indigenous population. The terrorist leaders did not want that. They wanted a Jewish state & are still working that end.

Labour is far left to me myself but the left in the USA refuses to confront Islamic atrocities, resorting to more euphemism than Queen Victoria ever dreamt of. Apparently, Labour has an ally in Prince Charles, whom I myself disadmire for his treatment of Di and his extravangance in his causes but then Prince Phillip wished for a germ or something to destroy the human race so I guess those two are alike.

I don't think US & British politics are comparable. The welfare state is intended to provide care for all in need, paid for by those in work & of course paid by those who ultimately benefit when they can work.

High profits, low wages & unpaid taxes reduce the national revenue. Also the tendency for companies to manufacture in & buy from third world countries has had a disastrous effect on employment & wages. (As Trump knows!) Our vital industries were privatised & are now owned by foreign countries for their profit.
 

Covenanter

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I don't think that dispensationalists are Zionists per se. Actually, I have read that Jews dislike Fundamentalists and Evangelicals because they think that support for Israel is a attempt at proselytzation. Most Jews are liberal Democrats.

Disps do believe in a millennium after the "rapture" where the Old Covenant prophecies regarding the nation of Israel are fulfilled on earth, with Jesus enthroned at Jerusalem. The church becomes a heavenly people after the "rapture."

The Disps therefore support Israel & encourage settlement as a move towards mass conversion to Christianity during/after the "tribulation." Obviously the Jews/Israelis will reject the doctrine of conversion but welcome the financial & military & political support.

The Palestinians - Christian & Moslem - are seen as an obstruction to be cleared off the promised land.

I see the situation in Israel/Palestine as irrelevant to prophecy. There is no suggestion in the teaching of Jesus & the Apostles of a restoration of an Israelite kingdom. Jews & Moslems are sinners (like us) who need the Gospel of Jesus Christ, & are welcomed by the Gospel anywhere on earth.

I understand Jeremy Corbyn (not a man of religious faith) & Jews (& some of us here) who do not support Zionism are simply concerned for justice for all rather than religious privilege.

We're not antisemitic - we want people of all religions to live in peace. And we are totally opposed to the Middle East wars which Bush called "crusade" which was understood as a Christian war against Muslims. And we do not recognise "semitic" as a political cause to be supported.
 

church mouse guy

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The Brits have a bad record with Israel and Labour is living in the past by 70 years. Labour seems to side with Germany on Islam. Labour seems to be opposed to Israel and in favor of Islamists. I think that Islamic nations should take in Islamists and that 22 Arab countries are enough. The UK will be overrun by immigrants like Sweden if Corbyn has his way.
 

Calminian

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Bottom line, antisemitism is a mental illness. They are some of the stupidest conspiracy nuts you'll ever meet. To say they're dumber than sticks is an insult to sticks.

And most antisemitism is politically incorrect today, except muslim antisemitism. They're the nuttiest of all, and they get a pass.
 

Matt Black

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The Brits have a bad record with Israel and Labour is living in the past by 70 years. Labour seems to side with Germany on Islam. Labour seems to be opposed to Israel and in favor of Islamists. I think that Islamic nations should take in Islamists and that 22 Arab countries are enough. The UK will be overrun by immigrants like Sweden if Corbyn has his way.
Too simplistic: Labour, as the party of the working class, tends to side with the underdog against the bully, hence they presently tend to side with the Muslim and Christian Palestinians in the illegally occupied territories against the Israeli state; 240 years ago they would have sided with the American revolutionaries for the same sort of reasons.
 

Rob_BW

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What I've learned in this thread: one is apparently either a Christian Zionist or an anti-Semite.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I don't think that dispensationalists are Zionists per se. Actually, I have read that Jews dislike Fundamentalists and Evangelicals because they think that support for Israel is a attempt at proselytzation. Most Jews are liberal Democrats.
And there are a lot that will call you goyem .. ie you are substandard to their race.
 

church mouse guy

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Too simplistic: Labour, as the party of the working class, tends to side with the underdog against the bully, hence they presently tend to side with the Muslim and Christian Palestinians in the illegally occupied territories against the Israeli state; 240 years ago they would have sided with the American revolutionaries for the same sort of reasons.

UK had their hands on it and they lost out. Why do they even care now?
 

church mouse guy

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Too simplistic: Labour, as the party of the working class, tends to side with the underdog against the bully, hence they presently tend to side with the Muslim and Christian Palestinians in the illegally occupied territories against the Israeli state; 240 years ago they would have sided with the American revolutionaries for the same sort of reasons.

Christians are not being persecuted by Israel.
 
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