Any Dispensationalist in the house?

[vooks]

Ok let me rephrase it. It shows that the time Christ will return is closer.

Good

I have no idea what this means

Colossians 2:14-16, BobRyan's nightmare of shadows and reality

Well you cannot lump everyone in the same basket. I answered your question and if you are going to respond to me then you need to set aside everyone else. I do not care what others say.

Fair enough

I will explain this only one more time. The temple gets set up by the Jews not God. It shows their rejection of Christ as the Messiah but it does not mean God has reverted back to the old covenant.

Look at the highlighted.
Ever read Ezekiel? Does it look like he is describing a human effort like Tower of Babel or is God not giving instructions just as He gave Moses for His temple?

Ezekiel 42:13-14 (KJV)
Then said he unto me, The north chambers and the south chambers, which are before the separate place, they be holy chambers, where the priests that approach unto the Lord shall eat the most holy things: there shall they lay the most holy things, and the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; for the place is holy. 14 When the priests enter therein, then shall they not go out of the holy place into the utter court, but there they shall lay their garments wherein they minister; for they are holy; and shall put on other garments, and shall approach to those things which are for the people

These are clear instructions of temple worship, a manual if you will no different from Leviticus, and not a scene from Babel
This is YHWH sanctioned exercise complete with His full blessings

 

[vooks]

Where is my friend Gehard?

I read this article and I nearly fell off the chair laughing.
The writer theorizes that continuing animal sacrifices and the all-sufficient sacrifice of Jesus are compatible primarily because not all sacrifices pointed to Jesus'. So he sees the ones not pointing to Christ as yet unfulfilled even after the cross and these are the reason God scrambles Levitical priesthood and an eight miles square grand temple.

1. All I can ask this 'scholar' is, if that is so, why were they nailed to the cross? Why did they stop?
2. And note Ezekiel has sin offerings as well. Why do we have this in future?
3. And finally, if the Ezekiel's temple are just for ceremonial uncleanliness, are you saying that Jesus blood deals with th deeper defiling nature of sin but is unable to deal with ceremonial?

I have said that the inability of Dispensationalism to coherently explain the purpose of a temple post Calvary is the one reason I summarily dismissed it. Of course I can and I do believe many things which I don't understand perfectly. But this is not just lack of understanding but severe contradictions. Seeing bloody sacrifices ordained by YHWH post Calvary in the light of Hebrews is unpalatable to my spirit.

 

[just-want-peace]

vooks: "Seeing bloody sacrifices ordained by YHWH post Calvary in the light of Hebrews is unpalatable to my spirit."

Same sacrifices as PRE-Calvary, so are those unpalatable as well?
I don't consider the "post" ORDAINED by God, just allowed, since as of now they, as a nation, have totally rejected the Messiah, and still consider themselves under the LAW.

 

[kyredneck]

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[vooks]

vooks: "Seeing bloody sacrifices ordained by YHWH post Calvary in the light of Hebrews is unpalatable to my spirit."

Same sacrifices as PRE-Calvary, so are those unpalatable as well?
I don't consider the "post" ORDAINED by God, just allowed, since as of now they, as a nation, have totally rejected the Messiah, and still consider themselves under the LAW.

The bloody Levitical sacrifices were done away with seeing we have a new priesthood. They were relevant before and right up to the Calvary. Right now they are as misplaced as circumcision

Please note that it is God who gives the Ezekiel temple blueprint complete with sacrifices. Why would God institute animal sacrifices post Calvary?

I was of the opinion that a temple distracts men from Jesus the ultimate sacrifice. And this is why a sin offering NOW is a big NO. Paul tells us they are shadows whose reality is Christ. So how do you have shadows coexisting with reality?

 

[vooks]

No idea why this thread scared all Dispensationalists away

 

[Yeshua1]

Got a couple of questions for you. Hands up

Yes, a calvinistic one!

 

[vooks]

Yes, a calvinistic one!

What purpose does Levitical sacrifices serve post-Calvary?

 

[Revmitchell]

What purpose does Levitical sacrifices serve post-Calvary?

None, but that is the wrong question is it not?

 

[Yeshua1]

What purpose does Levitical sacrifices serve post-Calvary?

What Dispy here holds to that view that tyhey still do apply though?

 

[Revmitchell]

What Dispy here holds to that view that tyhey still do apply though?

He thinks all dispensationalists are monolithic and if one said something over here then everyone else has to hold to it as well. He is not looking for a debate he is looking for a fight and he doesn't know the difference between the two.

 

[Yeshua1]

He thinks all dispensationalists are monolithic and if one said something over here then everyone else has to hold to it as well. He is not looking for a debate he is looking for a fight and he doesn't know the difference between the two.

Thought that he thinks that we hold that isreal has to still do sacrifices in order to get saved still now...

 

[Revmitchell]

Thought that he thinks that we hold that isreal has to still do sacrifices in order to get saved still now...

He runs around looking for comments made by dispies so he can develop a come back and bring it here. He is not looking for an honest discussion just a fight.

 

[vooks]

He runs around looking for comments made by dispies so he can develop a come back and bring it here. He is not looking for an honest discussion just a fight.

Thus saith the resident shrink.
If you have an alternative view on Ezekiel's Temple you would have laid it bare. You suffer from cognitive dissonance; that temple does not exist as far as you are concerned:smilewinkgrin:

 

[vooks]

Thought that he thinks that we hold that isreal has to still do sacrifices in order to get saved still now...

Assuming you are a Christian, and assuming in your sect you study scriptures, and assuming in those scriptures you have Ezekiel, you'd know Ezekiel was given elaborate instructions on temple worship and sacrifices akin to Moses in Leviticus, including SIN OFFERINGS.

Ezekiel was penned during captivity and the temple in his visions was a huge structure miles long and wide...nothing close to the then desolate temple which was later destroyed in 70AD.

Question is, as a dispensationalist who subscribes to literalism, do you believe the temple will be rebuilt?
If yes, what purpose does it serve post Calvary seeing the blood of Jesus was shed?

 

[Yeshua1]

Assuming you are a Christian, and assuming in your sect you study scriptures, and assuming in those scriptures you have Ezekiel, you'd know Ezekiel was given elaborate instructions on temple worship and sacrifices akin to Moses in Leviticus, including SIN OFFERINGS.

Ezekiel was penned during captivity and the temple in his visions was a huge structure miles long and wide...nothing close to the then desolate temple which was later destroyed in 70AD.

Question is, as a dispensationalist who subscribes to literalism, do you believe the temple will be rebuilt?
If yes, what purpose does it serve post Calvary seeing the blood of Jesus was shed?

Yes, in order to have the Antichrist fulfill the prophecy of the Abomination of Desolation with it, and its purpose is to be a s ceremonial memories of jesus and his work for us, just as we celebrate that now by Comminion!

 

[vooks]

None, but that is the wrong question is it not?

So, why do we have purposeless sacrificial system instituted by God Himself?

 

[vooks]

Yes, in order to have the Antichrist fulfill the prophecy of the Abomination of Desolation with it, and its purpose is to be a s ceremonial memories of jesus and his work for us, just as we celebrate that now by Comminion!

You are funny, or you lack seriousness. God institutes the entire system just so Antichrist can come and spoil the party? Isn't it misleading directing men to bloody sacrifices as opposed to Calvary?

 

[Yeshua1]

You are funny, or you lack seriousness. God institutes the entire system just so Antichrist can come and spoil the party? Isn't it misleading directing men to bloody sacrifices as opposed to Calvary?

No, as it is the nation of Isreal that is rebuilding the temple, to restart sacrifices, bu t that will end for them when Antichrist takes over temple, and when Jesus returns!

 

[vooks]

No, as it is the nation of Isreal that is rebuilding the temple, to restart sacrifices, bu t that will end for them when Antichrist takes over temple, and when Jesus returns!

It is not the 'nation of Israel that is rebuilding the temple' but rather it is YHWH who instructs Ezekiel on the reconstruction. This is God's masterpiece not man's Babel.

I strongly recommend you study Ezekiel, and after that educate me on WHY YHWH reverts back to bloody sacrifices long after His Son shed his blood on Calvary as per Dispensationalism absurdities of literalism