Any Here Ever heard or Believed In "Realised Eschatology?"

[JesusFan]

As one made popular by CH Dodd?

 

[JesusFan]

Do Dispy Really teach/believe the OT law Was Nullified?

that it was either never given to any but national Isreal, or else now abrogatted by the Cross?

 

[Tom Butler]

I am going to do something here that I rarely do, and admit my ignorance.

What is Realized Eschatology?

I know everything but I don't know that!

 

[Jim1999]

Another term for amillennialism.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[JesusFan]

I am going to do something here that I rarely do, and admit my ignorance.

What is Realized Eschatology?

I know everything but I don't know that!

Theology of/from CH Dodd, that Jesus meant that the kingdom would come "soon" to earth through HImself and His Followers, that reading eschatology was useless if seen as being still to come in future sense, already was fulfilled in Him...

That Kingdom came in jesus, and now on earth in His people, spiritual Isreal....

Like spiritual pretierism I think!

 

[Jim1999]

The Kingdom of God is in Jesus Christ..it is not just future,,some mythical period called a millennium. It embraces the true "covenant theology", as demonstrated first in Abraham. Most of us simply call it amillennialism to-day.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Greektim]

The Kingdom of God is in Jesus Christ..it is not just future,,some mythical period called a millennium. It embraces the true "covenant theology", as demonstrated first in Abraham. Most of us simply call it amillennialism to-day.

Cheers,

Jim

Historic Premill's use the term as well. It is just the reference to understanding the reign of God being active and present now. It is also understanding that Jesus' message of the reign of God was eschatological in that it was the message undergirding the OT prophets and the restoration of Israel. That restoration began at his resurrection w/ the ingathering of the Gentiles into the people of God. So eschatology is being realized as more Gentiles come into the fold.

 

[Tom Butler]

Thanks, folks. I'm a Historic Pre-Mil, but I could be something different tomorrow. I'm taking a close look at A-Mil. I see some pretty good arguments for it, but I'm not there yet.

I didn't realize I was so closed to being Realized. Heh-heh.

 

[convicted1]

The Kingdom of God is in Jesus Christ..it is not just future,,some mythical period called a millennium. It embraces the true "covenant theology", as demonstrated first in Abraham. Most of us simply call it amillennialism to-day.

Cheers,

Jim

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, and another AMEN to boot!!! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[convicted1]

Thanks, folks. I'm a Historic Pre-Mil, but I could be something different tomorrow. I'm taking a close look at A-Mil. I see some pretty good arguments for it, but I'm not there yet.

I didn't realize I was so closed to being Realized. Heh-heh.

Oh Brother!! :laugh:

 

[kyredneck]

Doctrinal Implications of Preterist Eschatology

".....Sometimes the preterist approach to Bible prophecy is labelled as “Realized Eschatology” (in the case of C. H. Dodd), “Fulfilled Eschatology” (by various preterist writers) or “Covenant Eschatology” (by Max King)....."

 

[Jim1999]

Quote: Tom Butler: Thanks, folks. I'm a Historic Pre-Mil, but I could be something different tomorrow. I'm taking a close look at A-Mil. I see some pretty good arguments for it, but I'm not there yet.

I didn't realize I was so closed to being Realized. Heh-heh.
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Tom, If you can get your hands on a book entitled: The Meaning of the Millennium, edited by Robert G. Clouse, InterVarsity Press....you will find the four different viewpoints discussed by the leaders in each viewpoint. Anthony Hoekema is probably the most efficient scholar in amilennialism; the reformed viewpoint.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[JesusFan]

Thanks, folks. I'm a Historic Pre-Mil, but I could be something different tomorrow. I'm taking a close look at A-Mil. I see some pretty good arguments for it, but I'm not there yet.

I didn't realize I was so closed to being Realized. Heh-heh.

Any time you get tempted to make the switch, just remember that jesus promised to come back to earth in order to set up in full KIngdom of God back upon this earth, as seen by Isaiah the prophet, time of peace, no famines/wars etc!

Are we there yet?

 

[Tom Butler]

Quote: Tom Butler: Thanks, folks. I'm a Historic Pre-Mil, but I could be something different tomorrow. I'm taking a close look at A-Mil. I see some pretty good arguments for it, but I'm not there yet.

I didn't realize I was so closed to being Realized. Heh-heh.
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Tom, If you can get your hands on a book entitled: The Meaning of the Millennium, edited by Robert G. Clouse, InterVarsity Press....you will find the four different viewpoints discussed by the leaders in each viewpoint. Anthony Hoekema is probably the most efficient scholar in amilennialism; the reformed viewpoint.

Cheers,

Jim

Thanks, Jim. I have actually seen that book on the shelf at the Lifeway Book Store here in Paducah. (Lifeway used to be called Baptist Book Store). I'll see if I can get it.

 

[glfredrick]

Doctrinal Implications of Preterist Eschatology

".....Sometimes the preterist approach to Bible prophecy is labelled as “Realized Eschatology” (in the case of C. H. Dodd), “Fulfilled Eschatology” (by various preterist writers) or “Covenant Eschatology” (by Max King)....."

Paul is basically taking the Corinthian church to task for having an "over-realized eschatology" in that they thought that the kingdom had already come and that they were already in the glorified state, so nothing they did that was sinful really mattered. Makes for an interesting study when considered in those terms.

 

[Tom Butler]

Paul is basically taking the Corinthian church to task for having an "over-realized eschatology" in that they thought that the kingdom had already come and that they were already in the glorified state, so nothing they did that was sinful really mattered. Makes for an interesting study when considered in those terms.

Hmmm, this is a new slant to me. I have heard the view that the Corinthians thought Jesus had already returned and they missed it, somehow.

Would you explain how you arrived at your view?

 

[Jim1999]

It was deemed to be a common misconception that Jesus was returning to establish a "military" type kingdom. This idea was ended with AD70 and the destruction of the temple.

It is good to keep in mind that there are some misconceptions in both the Old and New Testaments, corrected in the same writing by qualified authors. This does not affect the plenary, verbal inspiration of scripture. Just our understanding.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[glfredrick]

Hmmm, this is a new slant to me. I have heard the view that the Corinthians thought Jesus had already returned and they missed it, somehow.

Would you explain how you arrived at your view?

A couple of clues:

1Cor 3:1-3 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way?

This would have been a slap in the face of the Corinthian people who thought that they had already arrived...

Another clue as to their thinking:

1 Cor 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

And this follows -- a stinging facetious view of how the Corinthians saw themselves:

1 Cor 4:7-10 For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it? Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! Without us you have become kings! And would that you did reign, so that we might share the rule with you! For I think that God has exhibited us apostles as last of all, like men sentenced to death, because we have become a spectacle to the world, to angels, and to men. We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You are held in honor, but we in disrepute.

There are other reasons and other issues but to explain more fully would require a 2-book length exegesis. Suffice to say that the Corinthian people thought that they had arrived in the kingdom and that what they now did had no consequences, so they did all the more "in the flesh" (according to Paul) and in opposition to the sound teaching that he had left with them.

 

[JesusFan]

A couple of clues:




This would have been a slap in the face of the Corinthian people who thought that they had already arrived...

Another clue as to their thinking:



And this follows -- a stinging facetious view of how the Corinthians saw themselves:



There are other reasons and other issues but to explain more fully would require a 2-book length exegesis. Suffice to say that the Corinthian people thought that they had arrived in the kingdom and that what they now did had no consequences, so they did all the more "in the flesh" (according to Paul) and in opposition to the sound teaching that he had left with them.

Weren't some early Christians also afraid that they had "missed out" on the rapture/second coming of Christ in that day?

 

[glfredrick]

Weren't some early Christians also afraid that they had "missed out" on the rapture/second coming of Christ in that day?

Yup... They were confused by some of the prophetic language that indicated (to them) that Christ would return before THEY died.