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Salty

Salty

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Walpole said:
What do you think baptize means in the Greek language?
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I'm so glad you asked!!!
One of my driving students was Greek Orthodox . I was talking to his mom one day, (who also is from Greece) I asked if it was ok to ask a religious question. I asked her how the Greek Orthodox baptist baby's - her answer - by immersion . I then asked her why immersion.
She answered - because that's what Baptism means - immersion!

Seeing that she can speak Greek - she should know what it means.!
 
Walpole

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Salty said:
I'm so glad you asked!!!
One of my driving students was Greek Orthodox . I was talking to his mom one day, (who also is from Greece) I asked if it was ok to ask a religious question. I asked her how the Greek Orthodox baptist baby's - her answer - by immersion . I then asked her why immersion.
She answered - because that's what Baptism means - immersion!

Seeing that she can speak Greek - she should know what it means.!
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Maybe you should've bought them a Greek lexicon...

Baptizo =
  1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
  2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
  3. to overwhelm
Luke 11:38 ---> "And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed (baptizō) before dinner."


Do you immerse your hands when washing them?

Here is a passage from the Mishnah, describing exactly the Jewish washing of hands, which St. Luke references...

---> https://archive.org/stream/DanbyMish.../n807/mode/2up


Can you please give me the verse(s) from Scripture which prescribes the amount of water to be used in the baptismal ritual, as well as the instruction on immersion?
 
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Walpole said:
Maybe you should've bought them a Greek lexicon...

Baptizo =
  1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
  2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
  3. to overwhelm
Luke 11:38 ---> "And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed (baptizō) before dinner."


Do you immerse your hands when washing them?

Here is a passage from the Mishnah, describing exactly the Jewish washing of hands, which St. Luke references...

---> https://archive.org/stream/DanbyMish.../n807/mode/2up


Can you please give me the verse(s) from Scripture which prescribes the amount of water to be used in the baptismal ritual, as well as the instruction on immersion?
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the Mode of water baptism not most critical, its if one holds to the heresy of baptismal regeneration from it!
 
Salty

Salty

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Walpole said:
Maybe you should've bought them a Greek lexicon...

Baptizo =
  1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
  2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
  3. to overwhelm
Luke 11:38 ---> "And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed (baptizō) before dinner."


Do you immerse your hands when washing them?

Here is a passage from the Mishnah, describing exactly the Jewish washing of hands, which St. Luke references...

---> https://archive.org/stream/DanbyMish.../n807/mode/2up


Can you please give me the verse(s) from Scripture which prescribes the amount of water to be used in the baptismal ritual, as well as the instruction on immersion?
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Are you a Greek language scholar or are you just reading out of Strong's?
 
Walpole

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Salty said:
Are you a Greek language scholar or are you just reading out of Strong's?
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Like you and your student driver, I am not a Greek language scholar. Given Luke 11:38, it doesn't take a Greek language scholar to see you are not correct.


Luke 11:38 ---> "And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed (baptizō) before dinner."

Do you immerse your hands when washing them?


Here is a passage from the Mishnah, describing exactly the Jewish washing of hands, which St. Luke references...

---> https://archive.org/stream/DanbyMish.../n807/mode/2up


***** Can you please give me the verse(s) from Scripture which prescribes the amount of water to be used in the baptismal ritual, as well as the instruction on immersion?
 
Walpole

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Yeshua1 said:
the Mode of water baptism not most critical, its if one holds to the heresy of baptismal regeneration from it!
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Here is baptismal regeneration...

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself up for her; that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the Church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless.” (Eph 5:25-27)

“He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.” (Titus 3:5)


Here is Ananias instructing St. Paul about it...

“Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.” (Acts 22:16)



---> Verse please prescribing the volume of water to be used in the baptismal rite.
 
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Walpole said:
Here is baptismal regeneration...

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself up for her; that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the Church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless.” (Eph 5:25-27)

“He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.” (Titus 3:5)


Here is Ananias instructing St. Paul about it...

“Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.” (Acts 22:16)



---> Verse please prescribing the volume of water to be used in the baptismal rite.
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We are cleansed by the word of God applied to us by the Holy Spirit, that is cleansing!
 
Walpole

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ntchristian said:
Yes, but it does not define the Eucharist in the same way -- that is, transubstantiation.
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You are wrong. The Orthodox accepted the Catholic understanding of transubstantiation and explicitly condemned Luther's view...

"We believe the All-holy Mystery of the Sacred Eucharist, which we have enumerated above, fourth in order, to be that which our Lord delivered in the night in which He gave Himself up for the life of the world. For taking bread, and blessing, He gave to His Holy Disciples and Apostles, saying: “Take, eat; This is My Body.” {Matthew 26:26} And taking the chalice, and giving thanks, He said: “Drink you all of It; This is My Blood, which for you is being poured out, for the remission of sins.” {Matthew 26:28} In the celebration of this we believe the Lord Jesus Christ to be present. He is not present typically, nor figuratively, nor by superabundant grace, as in the other Mysteries, nor by a bare presence, as some of the Fathers have said concerning Baptism, or by impanation, so that the Divinity of the Word is united to the set forth bread of the Eucharist hypostatically, as the followers of Luther most ignorantly and wretchedly suppose. But he is present truly and really, so that after the consecration of the bread and of the wine, the bread is transmuted, transubstantiated, converted and transformed into the true Body Itself of the Lord, Which was born in Bethlehem of the ever-Virgin, was baptized in the Jordan, suffered, was buried, rose again, was received up, sits at the right hand of the God and Father, and is to come again in the clouds of Heaven; and the wine is converted and transubstantiated into the true Blood Itself of the Lord, Which as He hung upon the Cross, was poured out for the life of the world. {John 6:51}

Further we believe that after the consecration of the bread and of the wine, there no longer remains the substance of the bread and of the wine, but the Body Itself and the Blood of the Lord, under the species and form of bread and wine; that is to say, under the accidents of the bread." - 17th Decree of the Synod of Jerusalem, 1672


Source ---> Acts and Decrees of the Council of Jersusalem, 1672
 
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Walpole

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Yeshua1 said:
We are cleansed by the word of God applied to us by the Holy Spirit, that is cleansing!
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Please fill in the correct words for this verse...

Ephesians 5:25-27 ---> "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself up for her; that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of _____ _____ _____ ____, that He might present to Himself the Church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she should be holy and blameless.”

a. the word of God with the word
b. water with the word
c. burning in the bosom with the word


I always leave these forums amazed at the lack of knowledge of the Scriptures by the Baptist posters here.
 
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Walpole said:
You are wrong. The Orthodox accepted the Catholic understanding of transubstantiation and explicitly condemned Luther's view...

"We believe the All-holy Mystery of the Sacred Eucharist, which we have enumerated above, fourth in order, to be that which our Lord delivered in the night in which He gave Himself up for the life of the world. For taking bread, and blessing, He gave to His Holy Disciples and Apostles, saying: “Take, eat; This is My Body.” {Matthew 26:26} And taking the chalice, and giving thanks, He said: “Drink you all of It; This is My Blood, which for you is being poured out, for the remission of sins.” {Matthew 26:28} In the celebration of this we believe the Lord Jesus Christ to be present. He is not present typically, nor figuratively, nor by superabundant grace, as in the other Mysteries, nor by a bare presence, as some of the Fathers have said concerning Baptism, or by impanation, so that the Divinity of the Word is united to the set forth bread of the Eucharist hypostatically, as the followers of Luther most ignorantly and wretchedly suppose. But he is present truly and really, so that after the consecration of the bread and of the wine, the bread is transmuted, transubstantiated, converted and transformed into the true Body Itself of the Lord, Which was born in Bethlehem of the ever-Virgin, was baptized in the Jordan, suffered, was buried, rose again, was received up, sits at the right hand of the God and Father, and is to come again in the clouds of Heaven; and the wine is converted and transubstantiated into the true Blood Itself of the Lord, Which as He hung upon the Cross, was poured out for the life of the world. {John 6:51}

Further we believe that after the consecration of the bread and of the wine, there no longer remains the substance of the bread and of the wine, but the Body Itself and the Blood of the Lord, under the species and form of bread and wine; that is to say, under the accidents of the bread." - 17th Decree of the Synod of Jerusalem, 1672


Source ---> Acts and Decrees of the Council of Jersusalem, 1672
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Look, I was Orthodox for many years. I am not wrong. The EOC does not hold to transubstantiation. They do not define the Eucharist with a specific definition like the RCC and many Protestants do, preferring instead to speak of it as a "Mystery". I never said the EOC held to the Lutheran view. But they do not hold to the RCC view either, just as they don't hold to the RCC atonement view of Anselm, invented 1000 years after Christ.

Here's a good thread on the issue, from another forum: The Orthodox view on Transubstantiation
 
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ntchristian said:
Look, I was Orthodox for many years. I am not wrong. The EOC does not hold to transubstantiation. They do not define the Eucharist with a specific definition like the RCC and many Protestants do, preferring instead to speak of it as a "Mystery". I never said the EOC held to the Lutheran view. But they do not hold to the RCC view either, just as they don't hold to the RCC atonement view of Anselm, invented 1000 years after Christ.

Here's a good thread on the issue, from another forum: The Orthodox view on Transubstantiation
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The 87 Orthodox bishops and ecclesiastics (including six Metropolitans) at the Synod of Jerusalem refute you. Transubstantiation is explicitly affirmed. It is the manner in which transubstantiation occurs that is the mystery.

"Further, we believe that by the word 'transubstantiation' the manner is not explained, by which the bread and wine are changed into the Body and Blood of the Lord, — for that is altogether incomprehensible and impossible, except by God Himself, and those who imagine to do so are involved in ignorance and impiety, — but that the bread and the wine are after the consecration, not typically, nor figuratively, nor by superabundant grace, nor by the communication or the presence of the Divinity alone of the Only-begotten, transmuted into the Body and Blood of the Lord; neither is any accident of the bread, or of the wine, by any conversion or alteration, changed into any accident of the Body and Blood of Christ, but truly, and really, and substantially, doth the bread become the true Body Itself of the Lord, and the wine the Blood Itself of the Lord, as is said above." 17th Decree, Synod of Jerusalem


You provide a link to an internet chat forum, which actually affirmed what I wrote! Nonetheless, I provided a link to the ACTUAL DECREES of the Orthodox Fathers at Jerusalem which are explicit (as even the poster in your link admits). Here it is again...

Source ---> 17th Decree of the Synod of Jerusalem, 1672 A.D.


Perhaps you abandoned a faith you simply did not know or understand.
 
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Alofa Atu said:
Sabbath is the rest of God, and the dietary regulation is given by God, both for health from the beginning, spiritual and physical.
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sabbath day itself only given to israel as a sign from God, and Christians now have a sabbath day rest in Jesus every day!
 
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