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Any theology textbook against predestination, limited atonement, election?

Reformed

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I do not know if you are going to find an "anti" textbook. You will be better served finding textbooks that are "pro" your position. Compare the two and come to your own conclusion.

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Rob_BW

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Your best life now, by Joel Osteen???
You jest, but writing a paper adversus Altizer was one of the more was one of the more...growth-inducing assignments I had.

Something about the best defense is a good offense, know your enemy.
 

Rob_BW

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I do not know if you are going to find an "anti" textbook. You will be better served finding textbooks that are "pro" your position. Compare the two and come to your own conclusion.

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So if I'm torn between an F150 and a C1500, I shouldn't limit my research to the Ford dealership.
:Biggrin
 

Yeshua1

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I do not know if you are going to find an "anti" textbook. You will be better served finding textbooks that are "pro" your position. Compare the two and come to your own conclusion.

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Is interesting though that the Calvinist has far more and superior sources to use to bolster their arguments, as those against that position have relatively little in response!
 

David Kent

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Again those (like myself) on the other side, believe Christ died for all mankind, because He became the propitiation or means of salvation from God's wrath for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2

John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
 

Van

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John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Both these verses reinforce and support my view. So I have no idea of what your point might be. Are you agreeing? I expect not.

Who are "the sheep" who have gone astray? Are those called out, part of mankind? Of course.
 

John of Japan

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Can someone recommend a theology textbook that argues against predestination, limited atonement and election? I'm taking a theology course that asks the students to compare sources but I can only find theology text books that support Calvinist ideas. Any suggestions, Thanks!
I see that this thread was from way back in January, but I'll suggest a book anyway: Lectures in Systematic Theology, by Henry Thiessen (https://www.amazon.com/Lectures-Sys...=Henry+Thiessen&qid=1575314208&s=books&sr=1-1).

Also, my son's Ph.D. dissertation has been published as: Foreknowledge and Social Identity in 1 Peter, by Paul Himes (https://www.amazon.com/Foreknowledg...1_5?keywords=paul+himes&qid=1575314043&sr=8-5). In it he proves conclusively that foreknowledge does not mean predestination.
 

Yeshua1

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I see that this thread was from way back in January, but I'll suggest a book anyway: Lectures in Systematic Theology, by Henry Thiessen (https://www.amazon.com/Lectures-Sys...=Henry+Thiessen&qid=1575314208&s=books&sr=1-1).

Also, my son's Ph.D. dissertation has been published as: Foreknowledge and Social Identity in 1 Peter, by Paul Himes (https://www.amazon.com/Foreknowledg...1_5?keywords=paul+himes&qid=1575314043&sr=8-5). In it he proves conclusively that foreknowledge does not mean predestination.
Would be interesting to read that book of your son, as Lexicons seems to support the notion that it does!
 

Yeshua1

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Can someone recommend a theology textbook that argues against predestination, limited atonement and election? I'm taking a theology course that asks the students to compare sources but I can only find theology text books that support Calvinist ideas. Any suggestions, Thanks!
books by Roger Olsen and Norman Geisler on theology...
 

John of Japan

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Would be interesting to read that book of your son, as Lexicons seems to support the notion that it does!
Lexicons feed off each other. In other words, when someone writes a new lexicon, he or she will look at the previous ones and revise from them.

What my son did was look at every single usage of proginosko in ancient Greek literature, both Biblical and extra-biblical. This had never been done before. I'm prejudiced, of course, but I think he proved his point, and of course he passed the Ph.D. committee. So they agreed as to the validity of his research.
 

Yeshua1

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Lexicons feed off each other. In other words, when someone writes a new lexicon, he or she will look at the previous ones and revise from them.

What my son did was look at every single usage of proginosko in ancient Greek literature, both Biblical and extra-biblical. This had never been done before. I'm prejudiced, of course, but I think he proved his point, and of course he passed the Ph.D. committee. So they agreed as to the validity of his research.
Did he tie bnoth of those terms in Election then?
 
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