Anyone here observe Lent, etc?

[Reformed]

So you don't think that God in His wisdom set out through the religious leaders of the day to co-opt those pagan holidays in favor of the truth of Jesus Christ, so that all the world would someday come to know Him?

No. I do not. The sole authority for all matters of faith and practice is the word of God - the Bible.

 

[Adonia]

No. I do not. The sole authority for all matters of faith and practice is the word of God - the Bible.

So what exactly is this "Reformed" faith tradition? Are you not just a regular Baptist but a "Reformed" Baptist? Is there a difference?

 

[Reformed]

So what exactly is this "Reformed" faith tradition? Are you not just a regular Baptist but a "Reformed" Baptist? Is there a difference?

"Reformed Baptist" is the American equivalent of English Particular Baptists. The main difference between Reformed/Particular Baptists and most other Baptists is the issue of predestination and election. Reformed/Particular Baptists state their beliefs quite clearly in the 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith. John Bunyan (Pilgrim's Progress) and Benjamin Keach were notable Particular Baptists. So was the great English preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon.

 

[Adonia]

It is true that I do not claim to be a Protestant. A label that I reject
As a former Catholic I am best described as a separatist.

Ah hah! A true rebel, I like that! (LOL). I will say at the outset here, and in all seriousness, that I do indeed respect your belief's concerning your Christian faith journey.

Salvation and Sanctifying Grace comes directly from God alone, not through sacraments nor even the Mediatrix of all graces.

And who came up with those sacraments, those holy things designed to help us live a holy and pleasing life for God? Why no one other than God Himself!

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Amen to that brother!

There is only one priesthood of which all believers participate.

Yes, that is true and the Catholic Church teaches that. But you also have your clergy, an ordained person who exists to lead you in your walk with God and you call him your "Pastor". We also have our ordained person and call him a "Priest". They are both shepherds of their flock here on earth, no?

Therefore I do not accept your definition of "Orthodox" Christianity but that which is partially outlined by the scriptures given above.

Well, we Catholics and our Eastern Orthodox brothers beg to differ with you here and we do not run afoul of the scriptures you cited earlier.

Also I do not deny your status as a true believer as there seems to be that true kernel of faith in you which is dependent on Jesus Christ as Savior (along with a great deal of unnecessary baggage).

I'm not seeing any unnecessary baggage. There is a lot of liberty in the Catholic faith tradition and other than the core beliefs that must be adhered to, the individual is free to not believe or participate in many other things that exist within it's walls.

 

[Adonia]

"Reformed Baptist" is the American equivalent of English Particular Baptists. The main difference between Reformed/Particular Baptists and most other Baptists is the issue of predestination and election. Reformed/Particular Baptists state their beliefs quite clearly in the 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith. John Bunyan (Pilgrim's Progress) and Benjamin Keach were notable Particular Baptists. So was the great English preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon.

Well thank you, I will read what you have outlined and I have heard of Mr. Spurgeon before. An interesting tidbit for you is that I just read a book concerning the years when ships of sail roamed the oceans and the person (the Captain) who wrote it made a reference to hearing Mr. Spurgeon preach and that he was pretty impressed at what he had to say.

 

[Adonia]

"Reformed Baptist" is the American equivalent of English Particular Baptists. The main difference between Reformed/Particular Baptists and most other Baptists is the issue of predestination and election. Reformed/Particular Baptists state their beliefs quite clearly in the 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith. John Bunyan (Pilgrim's Progress) and Benjamin Keach were notable Particular Baptists. So was the great English preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon.

I see 32 titles, but nothing on "pre-destination". Is it listed within one of the titles?

 

[Reformed1689]

Well, actually, Lent & the other rites within it are not found in Scripture

What rites are you talking about? I asked specifically what parts of Lent are not found within regular worship in Scripture. So far, neither you nor @Reformed has shown any.

 

[Ran the Man]

If you are happy with the ECF's being your primary source, fine. I will let your rejection of Sola Scriptura speak for itself.

But we Baptists don't do sola scriptura, no matter what we say. We use commentaries, Sunday school literature, and books from the local Christian bookstore.
Some Baptists use Calvin's Institutes like it's Watchtower literature.
Sola scriptura? Zondervan would go bankrupt.

 

[Ran the Man]

No. I do not. The sole authority for all matters of faith and practice is the word of God - the Bible.

The Church wrote the NT, not the NT wrote the Church. You Calvinists are practicing Chrislam.
Stop worshipping the Bible.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

The Church wrote the NT, not the NT wrote the Church. You Calvinists are practicing Chrislam.
Stop worshipping the Bible.

In fact, the Triune God wrote the Bible. Exodus 20:1; Leviticus 1:1 etc., John 8:51; Hebrews 10:5; John 16:13-15; Hebrews 10:15 etc.

 

[Reformed]

I see 32 titles, but nothing on "pre-destination". Is it listed within one of the titles?

Read chapter 3 and 10. I do not want this to turn into a discussion on predestination and election because it will completely derail the thread. If you want to discuss it further it deserves its own thread.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'm really sick of this smug attitude you guys have for the Roman and eastern church. The very bible you have today was compiled by the 7 church fathers one of which was from rome. Why believe the bible then?
Martin Luther was a drunk and a philanderer. Calvin was a sociopath. The Protestant Hugonauts murdered a lot of people.

Then leave .... go away.

 

[Reformed]

What rites are you talking about? I asked specifically what parts of Lent are not found within regular worship in Scripture. So far, neither you nor @Reformed has shown any.

You keep missing the point. You are not tired of that yet? I said Lent is not found in scripture, not its parts. If the whole is not there, why are you looking for its crumbs? I put the onus on you to show me the positive command in scripture to observe Lent. Where is it?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

...as if the old RC gang was squeaky-clean!

And let's not forget their current "Boyzz R Us" scandal !

Squeaky clean more like an abomination

 

[robycop3]

And pray tell bother, just how are we to re-enact the Last Supper? Do we follow the Scriptures verbatim as to what elements are used, or do we make up our own way and therefore have a false Last Supper?

We emulate the "Lord's supper" as best we can, same as we emulate Jesus as best we can. We know we can't even begin to emulate Jesus completely, as He is God & we are not, but we can still do our best.

And remember, Jesus said to observe the Lord's Supper, but He never said a word about Lent, which is wholly man-made.

 

[Adonia]

We emulate the "Lord's supper" as best we can, same as we emulate Jesus as best we can. We know we can't even begin to emulate Jesus completely, as He is God & we are not, but we can still do our best.

And remember, Jesus said to observe the Lord's Supper, but He never said a word about Lent, which is wholly man-made.

And Jesus said we are to observe the Lord's Supper in a particular manner and to use the correct elements, and if we don't it is false (as you so clearly wrote earlier in response #8 with your words: "If it's not in Scripture, it's man-made and false"). So much for you folks and following the Scriptures as written. I guess that plank in your own eye is way too big to remove as you see the speck of wood in mine.

 

[Adonia]

What rites are you talking about? I asked specifically what parts of Lent are not found within regular worship in Scripture. So far, neither you nor @Reformed has shown any.

That's right! Fasting and almsgiving are in the Scriptures and if people want to do those things during a special 40 day period that coincides with the centuries old practice of recognizing the death and resurrection of the Savior, there is not one iota of such a thing being anti-biblical.

What they are trying to peddle is something akin to saying that it would be somehow anti-biblical to have a worship service outside instead of inside a church. There is no specific command for worship to happen out of doors, so according to them that would be wrong too.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Six Hour Warning
This thread will be closed sometime after 10:30 AM Pacific.

 

[Ran the Man]

Then leave .... go away.

I'll stay. You leave.

 

[Ran the Man]

We Baptist? You're not a Baptist. Your posts deny it.

Dont accuse me of not being a Baptist again. It's not a Christian of you. And it's incorrect.