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You're one to be speaking of logical conclusions!!

So, describe this guidance. God guides, and God directs our paths. No one has denied that. I know what that means. But I want to hear your take. How does the Spirit guide, and how is the witness borne?

Don't just say Scripture, because the question will be, how do you know you're understanding of the Scripture is true?

 

No, you quoted 1 John 2:27 to say no one needed teachers. That's a weird way to be "getting at" the humility required of those with the best gifts and who occupy offices in the church.

 

I never said God does not guide his children. You said that I said that when I never did

Your "logic" does not let you have poetic liscence to image what we might mean.
Ask Aaron was he suggesting an infallible teacher.

 

I have never disagreed on any of these.
You said I did, but I did not.
I have always agreed with all seven

 

No need to apologize.
In the seed of the serpent thread pt2....in.post 3....I clarified my statement about the Apostles. That would have been the time to clarify your thought.

 

I'm not backtracking one iota. You're just reading things into what I said. Many have corrected you in this very thread.

As far as your view, if it isn't some feeling . . . how do you know the Spirit is confirming the truth of what your pastor is saying?

Again, don't say Scripture, because then the question will be, how do you know you're seeing the Scriptures correctly?

 

Stop being pedantic. How does the Spirit "guide you into truth" independently of teachers? And if you say "Scripture," then you know what the next question will be.

 

I just could not resist. I know this is addressed to Jon and this is not meant to answer for him.
My answer would be that I am guided to the answer by the Spirit through Prayer. It's really simple "Ask and you will receive" I ask all the time and in the matter of truth I am always guided to it.
MB

 

Why not ask God how it's done. Personally I don't understand how someone with your obvious education doesn't know. Doesn't God direct your path?
How is it anyone knows the truth from a lie. Knowing starts with questions and when those questions are in God's hand they will be answered.
MB

 

OK, but how do you know you are being lead by the Spirit? I had a woman recently tell me that God gave her peace in leaving her husband because she no longer loves him and God does not want her to be miserable. I asked her how she knew her "peace" was from God and she replied, "Because I prayed about it." You may say this is an extreme example but it is not. It happens all the time.

Could it be that the real answer lies in the Spirit confirming in our minds the truth of scripture and that scripture is the source of truth about God?

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Very often, I have seen folks stumble in this topic of how the Spirit guides and leads. More often the folks fall into two categories.

One category I would perhaps label as “rejectionism” aligns tha God will only speak through His Word, that all “light, insight, wisdom, understanding, ...” can only be brought by the pure truth of The Word.

The other category I would perhaps label as “acceptionism” more often embraces extrabiblical experience of feeling, emotions, sights, signs, ... as equally valid irrespective of the Word.

Those are the extremes.

What is the Scripture perspective?

The creation is declaring the truth of God according to the Psalms.
The Spirit comes and goes at its own volition and no human can understand where it is from or where it is heading according to The Lord Jesus.

Hebrews records that the Word is living, powerful, having discernment of being able to separate soul and spirit, thoughts from intents, and even cleaving joints to expose the inner marrow.

Therefore, when it comes to guidance, the use of both the Word and the experiences of the believer are important.

The Wisemen at the birth had both the head knowledge of discernment and also the physical star.

Peter had both the Spirit of discernment and physical dreams directing him.

Paul had abundant knowledge to know mysteries of multitudes of revelations, yet, through the affliction of Satan given him, he not be puffed up, but guided.

Therefore, a standard is proposed concerning the thread.

God will use whatever God pleases to guide His children.

Some may gravitate to the senses, some to the intellect pursuits in The Word.

But neither is to be exclusive, and neither should be discounted with one exception.

The power and authority of The Word to openly and often most publicly display the separation of truth from coverup must be discerned.

Bones cover marrow.
Thoughts form from intents of the heart.
The soul (that which pertains to flesh) covers that which is the eternal spirit of the human.

Guidance of believers must engage both the wisdom of the Spirit and that of experiential. The Word be true, and every man a liar, and that God be displayed and praised. That the believer respond, “It pleased The Lord to ....” and a path is walked.

 

Had Paul read the Word of God prior to his trip to Damascus? Having so read, and assuming, he assumed he understood the Word of God was he not in reality blind and in ignorance to the Word of God.

Are we not the very same. By the will of God, do we not have to have the scales of blindness removed from our minds in order to know the truth of the Word of God?

When was the blindness of Paul's mind removed? 9:15 or 9:18?