Apostolic Uniqueness - total dependence on God

[JonC]

Please explain to me the difference you are referring to. The Spirit guiding in specific spiritual matters is still the Spirit guiding. So what is the differences you are referring to?

Do you seriously not understand the differences in the two statements?

One is talking about the Spirit guiding and the other where the Spirit is guiding.

The difference is not Scripture but grammer and sentence construction.

I can say the driver drives the car. I can say the driver takes me to Nashville. The sentences may both be true, but they are not the same.

Saying the driver drives is like saying the Spirit guides Spiritually. That is a "duh" statement.

Saying the Spirit brings the believer to a spiritual understanding is not the same as saying the Spirit guides spiritally (something I suspect you know....but it's a fun exchange anyway so I'll play).

 

[37818]

Do you seriously not understand the differences in the two statements?

One is talking about the Spirit guiding and the other where the Spirit is guiding.

The difference is not Scripture but grammer and sentence construction.

I can say the driver drives the car. I can say the driver takes me to Nashville. The sentences may both be true, but they are not the same.

Saying the driver drives is like saying the Spirit guides Spiritually. That is a "duh" statement.

Saying the Spirit brings the believer to a spiritual understanding is not the same as saying the Spirit guides spiritally (something I suspect you know....but it's a fun exchange anyway so I'll play).

The point being the Spirit guiding and specifics where the Spirit is guiding is the Spirit guiding!

 

[JonC]

The point being the Spirit guiding and specifics where the Spirit is guiding is the Spirit guiding!

But that was NOT the point when it was stated.

 

[37818]

But that was NOT the point when it was stated.

Then please restate it as you meant it.

 

[JonC]

Then please restate it as you meant it.

I said it EXACTLY as I meant it (when I referenced Owen).

Part of the problem is literacy. So much of the wealth we could gather from teachers of the past escape the "general audience" because they are limited to an elementary version of the English language. This is why we no longer sing "fill my cup until I want no more" but "until it overflows".

When Owen said that the Spirit guides people into grasping spiritual things in a spiritual way as contrasted with the "natural man" and "worldly wisdom", the reader should have dismissed at the start that Owen was saying the Spirit leads spiritually. This should have been done for two reasons. First, to say that the Spirit guides spiritually says absolutely nothing because no one was claiming that the Spirit guided un-spiritually. Second, the context itself provided an explanation (the reference to the natural man, worldly wisdom, etc. I fear more and more we are living among fools, even among our "educated".

The Spirit guides the believer into a spiritual understanding of spiritual things. That you find the statement difficult IS my point. This was accepted for so long yet over the past few decades some of you find it a block over which to stumble.