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Are Babies born in a state of innocence?
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evenifigoalone
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They are born with a sin nature, but they have not had an opportunity to sin until they are a little older. So I guess the question becomes--does just having a sin nature make one sinful, or does acting on it make one sinful? Inevitably we will act on it once we have the opportunity, because sin nature implies that it is in our nature to sin. But, when you're just a baby that can't do anything but eat, sleep, and cry?
37818
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It is my understanding that little children where sinners for whom Christ died, 1 John 2:2, Matthew 18:3, John 3:3-4.
evenifigoalone
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I see it as sin nature is basically our very human instinct, which is selfish in nature. From the time we are born, we are concerned only with our own needs. We only think about ourselves. We have to be taught to consider others, and even then, we struggle in that regard.
Reformed1689
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How old? When do we start sinning? I don't see any Scriptural support for your position.
37818
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Psalms 58:3, ". . . The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. . . ."
evenifigoalone
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Arguably as young as a few months
evenifigoalone
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I would put forth that the Bible often speaks in hyperbole to make a point, this may be one such case. Another example would be when Jesus says that we are to "hate" our families--he doesn't mean we need to actually hate them, but that our love for God should be such that our love for our families seems like hate in comparison
Reformed1689
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Based on what?
Rousseau is the godfather and patron saint of liberalism. Rousseau believed that human beings are born naturally good but are corrupted by society. By tinkering with society, we can eradicate evil and the problems of the world.
The way Rousseau arrived at this conclusion is of the utmost importance. Rousseau realized this epiphany by invalidating the Christian doctrine of Original Sin. He pontificated "that there is no original perversity in the human heart" (4). The phrase "original perversity" is his biblical allusion to Original Sin.
Original Sin is the Christian concept from the Bible where God punished Adam and Eve, and all of mankind vicariously, for their first and original sin with labor. Adam must labor by the sweat of his brow, and Eve must labor via childbearing. By invalidating Original Sin, Rousseau, and those adhering to his ideology, are invalidating labor as a mandatory and permanent aspect of the human condition.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/socialism_101_wealthhoarding.html#ixzz6G1iH38Bf
The way Rousseau arrived at this conclusion is of the utmost importance. Rousseau realized this epiphany by invalidating the Christian doctrine of Original Sin. He pontificated "that there is no original perversity in the human heart" (4). The phrase "original perversity" is his biblical allusion to Original Sin.
Original Sin is the Christian concept from the Bible where God punished Adam and Eve, and all of mankind vicariously, for their first and original sin with labor. Adam must labor by the sweat of his brow, and Eve must labor via childbearing. By invalidating Original Sin, Rousseau, and those adhering to his ideology, are invalidating labor as a mandatory and permanent aspect of the human condition.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/socialism_101_wealthhoarding.html#ixzz6G1iH38Bf
evenifigoalone
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Babies as young as six months are capable of lying, if you ask them if they did something and they shake their head no. Which may or may not be the case, as they are still learning how language works. But that's why I said "arguably"
37818
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So do you think E Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23 or Romans 5:12 is merely hyperhole?
Reformed1689
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And babies as young as birth are capable of being selfish.
The question really then is are we seen by God as being sinners only after we choose to sin against Him, or are we already seen as such when born?
This is the true biblical answer, thanks!
This would seem to be a part of the Age of Accountability question than from her viewpoint!
Reformed1689
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All I know is the Scripture says all have sinned, it doesn't say all except the babies up to a certain age.
"In Adam's fall we sinned all"
Birds fly, fish swim, man sins...
Babies are born spiritually dead - guilty of participating in the sin of Adam. Sinners, corrupted.
An apple tree is an apple tree whether it produces apples or not.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Birds fly, fish swim, man sins...
Babies are born spiritually dead - guilty of participating in the sin of Adam. Sinners, corrupted.
An apple tree is an apple tree whether it produces apples or not.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Corrupt fruit from a rotten tree?"In Adam's fall we sinned all"
Birds fly, fish swim, man sins...
Babies are born spiritually dead - guilty of participating in the sin of Adam. Sinners, corrupted.
An apple tree is an apple tree whether it produces apples or not.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.