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Are Confessions of Faith biblical? Should Churches use them?

Confessions/Statements of Faith are useful to use.

  • Agree - Everyone uses one even if they say so or not

    Votes: 6 54.5%

  • False - No creed but the bible!

    Votes: 5 45.5%
  • Total voters
    11
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MB

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Yeshua1 said:
No support for the free will Gospel some hold to here
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An invitation is an offer made by freewill.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
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AustinC

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MB said:
God's plan isn't nonsense but your Calvinism is.
MB
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God's plan is observed in scripture and your Reformed brother's are pointing it out to you. Thus, your comments come off as rejecting observable, factual data found in the Bible. Your defacto process is to reject these observable points in scripture by labeling them "Calvinism" yet they aren't writings of John Calvin, they are doctrines clearly presented in the Bible, by God's ordained writers. You might as well call it Paulism or Peterism, or Johnism or Lukeism. It's observable in the Bible.
 
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AustinC

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MB said:
An invitation is an offer made by freewill.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
MB
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Romans 10:13 is a statement of fact, not an invitation.
Matthew 11:28 is a statement of fact to Jesus hearers who were burdened down by the load of added laws given them by the Pharisees. Jesus says to them "Take my yoke upon you for it is light," meaning that his teaching lifts the burden of the law off their shoulders. Therefore, Jesus tells them to come to him. Again, this is a statement of fact.

You ignore the fact that in both verses it is the work of God that is effective, not "free will" of the hearers. Please make an attempt to view salvation from God's view rather than constantly remain man-centered.
 
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MB

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AustinC said:
Romans 10:13 is a statement of fact, not an invitation.
Matthew 11:28 is a statement of fact to Jesus hearers who were burdened down by the load of added laws given them by the Pharisees. Jesus says to them "Take my yoke upon you for it is light," meaning that his teaching lifts the burden of the law off their shoulders. Therefore, Jesus tells them to come to him. Again, this is a statement of fact.
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LOL You have quite an imagination. It sure is a fact, if you come to Him He will save you.
MB
You ignore the fact that in both verses it is the work of God that is effective, not "free will" of the hearers. Please make an attempt to view salvation from God's view rather than constantly remain man-centered.[/QUOTE]
 
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MB

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AustinC said:
God's plan is observed in scripture and your Reformed brother's are pointing it out to you. Thus, your comments come off as rejecting observable, factual data found in the Bible. Your defacto process is to reject these observable points in scripture by labeling them "Calvinism" yet they aren't writings of John Calvin, they are doctrines clearly presented in the Bible, by God's ordained writers. You might as well call it Paulism or Peterism, or Johnism or Lukeism. It's observable in the Bible.
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You seem like a JW.. With no truth at all.
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AustinC

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MB said:
LOL You have quite an imagination. It sure is a fact, if you come to Him He will save you.
MB
You ignore the fact that in both verses it is the work of God that is effective, not "free will" of the hearers. Please make an attempt to view salvation from God's view rather than constantly remain man-centered.
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So what passage do you use to teach: "If you come, Jesus will save you."? It certainly isn't Matthew 11:28.
 
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AustinC

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MB said:
Prove what you said here or others will see you are a false teacher. You can't back it up can you?
MB
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He doth stumble over the word "pleased."

Show me the exact creed where it is written so I can look at why the word "pleased" was used.

What word would you suggest be substituted?
 
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Iconoclast

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MB said:
I admit I hate the doctrines of Calvinism. I do not hate Calvinist. Not even you Austin. If I hated Calvinist I would not even try to place them on the right path.
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Many people hate what they do not understand.
Clearly, you do not understand what the teaching is.
You should actually study more than post.
 
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Iconoclast

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SavedByGrace said:
I said that it is lazy for Christians to use these "creeds/confessions" for their theology, and not turn to the Bible itself. I have shown the danger of these "confessions", where the language used is very much against what the Bible teaches, and yet there are some who will continue to try and defend them!
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One reason you believe in salvation based on works is you do not welcome confessional truth that is firmly rooted in scripture. Your deliberate twisting of the wording shows you have an agenda.
 
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Iconoclast

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SavedByGrace said:
you show your foolishness! There is not ONE verse in the entire Bible that supports the reformed heresy that God was PLEASED when Adam and Eve sinned against Him!
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is that the wording used?No it is not. why do you feel the need to be dishonest?
which God was pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel to permit, having purposed to order it to his own glory.
 
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SavedByGrace

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Iconoclast said:
is that the wording used?No it is not. why do you feel the need to be dishonest?
which God was pleased, according to his wise and holy counsel to permit, having purposed to order it to his own glory.
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Now show from the Bible that this nonsense is anywhere found in the Word of God!
 
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AustinC

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Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
 
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