Are Physical Jews Extinct?

[robycop3]

There is a false teaching that there atr ten lost tribes.

That is British Israelite teaching.

When the kingdom was divided, faithful members of the ten tribes stayed in Jerusalem. When Cyrus became king he was over all the nations where Jews and Israelites were exiled. The offer was for all the people of the LORD God to return.

• 1 ¶ Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,
• 2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.
• 3 Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem.

Even if Roby's British Israelism is correct there could only 9 lost tribes as Anna was of the tribe of Asher.

• Luke 2:36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

First, I AM NOT A "BRITISH ISRAELITE!" That's a false racist thingie of herbie Armstrong's.

Next, even in Rehoboam's time, some righteous Israelis from the other ten tribes migrated to Judea. but the vast majority stayed put.

And NOWHERE is there a Scripture saying "A Jews from the tribe of Dan", etc.

God separated Judah from Israel because of Solomon's sins, but He said He WILL restore them into one nation again & make them great. Thus, there MUST be literal Jews & literal Israelis. Any other notions are against Scripture.

 

[robycop3]

Jews are a religion just as Christians are a religion. Circumcision made one a physical Jew, just as faith in Christ makes one a Christian.

I have repeatedly said I was circumcised, but am not a Jew.

Again, your ideas are against Scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

I have repeatedly said I was circumcised, but am not a Jew.

Again, your ideas are against Scripture.

Most baby boys are circumcised. But it serves a different purpose. God gave circumcision to Abraham as a sign for all the covenant seed. But Christ abolished that use of it.

 

[robycop3]

Solomon was quoting Moses -

Deut. 28:62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the Lord your God. 63 Just as it pleased the Lord to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.​

Absolutely WRONG!
The generation that rejected Jesus was punished in AD 70. Paul said -

1 Thes. 2:you suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.​

That was the punishment of the Jews who rejected their Messiah, and rejected the Gospel offering them free & full forgiveness through Jesus' blood. The OC promises to Israel were fulfilled in & by the LORD Jesus Christ by his life, death, resurrection, ascension & the Gospel. Messianic Israel was born in a day at Pentecost & through the next 35 years many thousands of Jews were added to the holy nation. Zechariah indicates 1/3 of the nation. Revelation says 144,000.


The fact that some people call themselves "Jews" is of no significance.



Relevant Scriptures include Ezekiel 36 & 37. These were addressed to the Jews in exile, who had the promise of return in 70 years. God fulfilled that promise, though the returning Jews were rather half hearted about it. The rebuilding of the temple prophecy, including animal sacrifices for sin was partly accomplished, but again half heartedly. A perfect fulfilment was needed, and that's where Jesus comes in.

Israel was restored as a holy nation according to Peter, but not a physical nation but a spiritual nation comprising believers of all nations, as promised to the Patriarchs.

Acts 3:24 ‘Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, “Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.” 26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.’

1 Peter 2:4 As you come to him, the living Stone – rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him – 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
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9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.​

Jesus himself is the fulfilment of the OC promises & prophecies. The focus on the godless nation of Israel is a serious error.

I disagree with much of your post. The punishment that came upon the Jews in 70 AD was the "days of vengeance" prophesied by Jesus where that generation was held accountable for all the murders of the righteous from Abel til that time.

A much-greater punishment came upon the Jews in 135-136 AD when Hadrian expelled them from their land & gave it to the Philistines. (Palestinians) That conflict is still ongoing now.

Their punishment culminated in the nazi holocaust. After that, God began to lift their punishment & they soon had a sovereign nation again for the first time since the Babylonoan conquest.

You really need to study Scripture & history more closely & abandon those goofy man-made ideas.

 

[robycop3]

Paul was a jew who was saved by Yeshua, and that is the same way for ever jew since Jesus arrived!

Yes, and AFTER Paul was saved, he still called himself a Jew.

And it was "Orthodox Jews" whom Herod pleased by whacking James in Acts 12. They were Jews, Jews, JEWS! Their religious status did NOT make nor unmake them as Jews.

 

[robycop3]

Most baby boys are circumcised. But it serves a different purpose. God gave circumcision to Abraham as a sign for all the covenant seed. But Christ abolished that use of it.

Again, there's no Scripture saying Jesus abolished circumcision. He Himself was circumcised. He did all things Jewish, such as observing passover.

At the "Last Supper", Jesus added Communion & foot-washing. He certainly didn't abolish passover, as His father charged Israel to observe it FOR EVER.

By His death, Jesus completely & permanently fulfilled all the laws of sacrifice. Thus, no one is required to sacrifice anything as a condition of remaining righteous.

But again, that's separate from God's promise to make Israel & Judah one nation again & to make it great. remember, at no time has Israel come close to even controlling all the Promised Land, let alone OCCUPYING it. To see its extent, just Google "promised land map". But GOD said they WILL occupy all of it!

I believe GOD, not some goofy man-made theories based neither on Scripture nor reality/history.

 

[1689Dave]

Again, there's no Scripture saying Jesus abolished circumcision. He Himself was circumcised. He did all things Jewish, such as observing passover.

At the "Last Supper", Jesus added Communion & foot-washing. He certainly didn't abolish passover, as His father charged Israel to observe it FOR EVER.

By His death, Jesus completely & permanently fulfilled all the laws of sacrifice. Thus, no one is required to sacrifice anything as a condition of remaining righteous.

But again, that's separate from God's promise to make Israel & Judah one nation again & to make it great. remember, at no time has Israel come close to even controlling all the Promised Land, let alone OCCUPYING it. To see its extent, just Google "promised land map". But GOD said they WILL occupy all of it!

I believe GOD, not some goofy man-made theories based neither on Scripture nor reality/history.

“Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you at all!” (Galatians 5:2)

 

[robycop3]

“Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you at all!” (Galatians 5:2)

Paul was writing to a group of gentiles, some of whom were led to believe they had to follow Jewish customs in order to remain righteous. this was simply another of Satan's false doctrines designed to derail Christianity.

it has nothing to do with Jews raised in Jewish tradition, who woulda felt guilty if not circumcised. (Of course almost all Jewish males were circumcised at age 8 days, same as now, & same with most American boys today.)

Basically, I believe it comes down to CONSCIENCE. If an uncircumcised male feels he should be circumcised, then he should be. But OTOH, he should not look down on any man who feels otherwise, even if he's a Jew.

In a nutshell, circumcision doesn't save anyone, nor does not being circumcised condemn anyone.

But this has nothing to do with the LIE that literal physical Jews are extinct

 

[1689Dave]

Paul was writing to a group of gentiles, some of whom were led to believe they had to follow Jewish customs in order to remain righteous. this was simply another of Satan's false doctrines designed to derail Christianity.

it has nothing to do with Jews raised in Jewish tradition, who woulda felt guilty if not circumcised. (Of course almost all Jewish males were circumcised at age 8 days, same as now, & same with most American boys today.)

Basically, I believe it comes down to CONSCIENCE. If an uncircumcised male feels he should be circumcised, then he should be. But OTOH, he should not look down on any man who feels otherwise, even if he's a Jew.

In a nutshell, circumcision doesn't save anyone, nor does not being circumcised condemn anyone.

But this has nothing to do with the LIE that literal physical Jews are extinct

Are you a gentile convert? In time, everyone was after Paul's generation of Jews died off.

 

[Gold Dragon]

two passages to consider

Genesis 17:7

I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you

Matthew 5:17

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

[1689Dave]

two passages to consider

Genesis 17:7


Matthew 5:17

If you understand these from a New Testament perspective, they do not create the problem you think they do.

 

[Gold Dragon]

If you understand these from a New Testament perspective, they do not create the problem you think they do.

These verses do not create any problems for a biblical perspective.

What problems do they not create for your perspective that you claim to be the New Testament one? Why do you need this perspective to understand these verses?

 

[1689Dave]

These verses do not create any problems for a biblical perspective.

What problems do they not create for your perspective that you claim to be the New Testament one? Why do you need this perspective to understand these verses?

They are the Old Covenant replaced by the New.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, and AFTER Paul was saved, he still called himself a Jew.

And it was "Orthodox Jews" whom Herod pleased by whacking James in Acts 12. They were Jews, Jews, JEWS! Their religious status did NOT make nor unmake them as Jews.

Those who do not even believe in God can still be jews!

 

[Yeshua1]

Are you a gentile convert? In time, everyone was after Paul's generation of Jews died off.

Nope, many Jews getting saved today in Israel by God!

 

[1689Dave]

Nope, many Jews getting saved today in Israel by God!

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:28–29)

 

[1689Dave]

Those who do not even believe in God can still be jews!

Not biblical Jews.

 

[Yeshua1]

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:28–29)

Paul is talking here about saved jews, the ones who are really the hiers of Abraham, but nothing to do with them ceasing now to be Jews!

 

[1689Dave]

Paul is talking here about saved jews, the ones who are really the hiers of Abraham, but nothing to do with them ceasing now to be Jews!

Circumcision made one a Jew. When Paul's generation died off only false Judaism and false Jews remained.

 

[Yeshua1]

Not biblical Jews.

NO such thing as a :biblcal jew", they are only physical jews by first born, spiritual Jews by the second birth!