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Are some Baptists closer to Assembly of God than Reformed?

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Yeshua1

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JonC said:
It would be nice to see the level of faith other denominations exhibit within evangelical Baptists. As it stands it seems that many have a form of godliness but deny the power of the gospel. There is an intellectualism that seeks to dismiss anything that does not fit in it's expectations. It was not always this way among Baptists, and hopefully it's more a sign of discussion boards and academia while being less "on the ground".

Christians need to stop reading the Bible as "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth" and start taking to heart what Christ commanded. We need to stop waiting for the Kingdom to come and start participating in the Kingdom that is here because when the Kingdom comes in it's fullest extent it will come for those who are already kingdom people - not for those who are waiting to become kingdom people.
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Are you now preaching to us Kingdom Now?
 
atpollard

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church mouse guy said:
Also, Pentecostals ordain women and Baptists don’t.
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Baptists that NEVER ordain women:
  • The General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
Baptists that GENERALLY DO NOT ordain women:
  • The Southern Baptist Convention does not support the ordination of women; but some churches that are members of the SBC have ordained women.
Baptists that DO ordain women:
  • Baptist Church in Germany and Switzerland (Bund Evangelisch-Freikirchlicher Gemeinden, Bund Schweizer Baptistengemeinden)
  • American Baptist Churches USA
  • North American Baptist Conference
  • Alliance of Baptists
  • Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (CBF)
  • Missionary Baptist Conference, USA
  • National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
  • Progressive National Baptist Convention
  • General Association of Baptists
  • Okinawa Baptist Convention
  • Baptist Union of Great Britain
... Just for the record.
 
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Yeshua1

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atpollard said:
Baptists that NEVER ordain women:
  • The General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
Baptists that GENERALLY DO NOT ordain women:
  • The Southern Baptist Convention does not support the ordination of women; but some churches that are members of the SBC have ordained women.
Baptists that DO ordain women:
  • Baptist Church in Germany and Switzerland (Bund Evangelisch-Freikirchlicher Gemeinden, Bund Schweizer Baptistengemeinden)
  • American Baptist Churches USA
  • North American Baptist Conference
  • Alliance of Baptists
  • Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (CBF)
  • Missionary Baptist Conference, USA
  • National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
  • Progressive National Baptist Convention
  • General Association of Baptists
  • Okinawa Baptist Convention
  • Baptist Union of Great Britain
... Just for the record.
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and yet there is still NO biblical support for such a practice!
 
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Yeshua1

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atpollard said:
That does not change the fact that ordaining women is not an AOG vs Baptist distinctive.
(and "no biblical support" is an exaggeration: Galatians 3:28)
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Passage refers to spiritual state/condition, nothing to do with who is qualified to be in the position of spiritual authority within the Church!
 
atpollard

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Yeshua1 said:
Passage refers to spiritual state/condition, nothing to do with who is qualified to be in the position of spiritual authority within the Church!
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That is a matter of interpretation. It SAYS there is no difference in the Body between men and women and you claimed there was "NO BIBLICAL SUPPORT" ... well, that is some Biblical support. We can debate the correct meaning, but that does not negate its existence. If I believed that women SHOULD be Pastors, I would probably be familiar with lots of other verses that could be used as support. Since I do not lean that way, I have not invested the time to look for verses supporting female Pastors. However one should be very careful when claiming that there is no support for a position.
 
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atpollard said:
Baptists that NEVER ordain women:
  • The General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
Baptists that GENERALLY DO NOT ordain women:
  • The Southern Baptist Convention does not support the ordination of women; but some churches that are members of the SBC have ordained women.
Baptists that DO ordain women:
  • Baptist Church in Germany and Switzerland (Bund Evangelisch-Freikirchlicher Gemeinden, Bund Schweizer Baptistengemeinden)
  • American Baptist Churches USA
  • North American Baptist Conference
  • Alliance of Baptists
  • Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (CBF)
  • Missionary Baptist Conference, USA
  • National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
  • Progressive National Baptist Convention
  • General Association of Baptists
  • Okinawa Baptist Convention
  • Baptist Union of Great Britain
... Just for the record.
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You are correct. I think that they used to say that there are 117 different Baptist denominations worldwide. Have you heard of buzzard Baptists? They only go to funerals.
 
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Yeshua1

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atpollard said:
That is a matter of interpretation. It SAYS there is no difference in the Body between men and women and you claimed there was "NO BIBLICAL SUPPORT" ... well, that is some Biblical support. We can debate the correct meaning, but that does not negate its existence. If I believed that women SHOULD be Pastors, I would probably be familiar with lots of other verses that could be used as support. Since I do not lean that way, I have not invested the time to look for verses supporting female Pastors. However one should be very careful when claiming that there is no support for a position.
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Interesting though that we have NO recorded female pastor or elder anywhere in Bible, nor among any ECF?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
The AOG is the most biblical based Pentacostal church, as while do not agree with their teachings on gifts and Holy Spirit, not in cultist and heresy as many in Charismatic chaos are!
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Many Pentecostal, and I suspect many of them that you would believe are 'brothers and sisters in Christ, (United Pentecostal, Apostolic and other Oneness Pentecostals) deny the Trinity and therefore are not Christians. They often are given 'a pass' as they affirm the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, however, they believe that God cannot be three distinct person, but only one being who has revealed Himself in three different modes.
 
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I would say that the Baptist Bible Fellowship does not ordain women - as well several other Bapt groups.
 
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Walter said:
Many Pentecostal, and I suspect many of them that you would believe are 'brothers and sisters in Christ, (United Pentecostal, Apostolic and other Oneness Pentecostals) deny the Trinity and therefore are not Christians. They often are given 'a pass' as they affirm the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, however, they believe that God cannot be three distinct person, but only one being who has revealed Himself in three different modes.
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I never have seen Oneness nor Modualism Charismatics as being saved, aad also same for teachers and leaders in the word of faith movement!
 
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Yeshua1

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JonC said:
I always preach the gospel of God's Kingdom. Anything else is "another gospel", not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Are you proclaiming that the Kingdom is here right now, and no need for a second coming then?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Are you proclaiming that the Kingdom is here right now, and no need for a second coming then?
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I am saying the Kingdom is here, right now, for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

I am not saying there is no need for the second coming of Christ or that the Kingdom is here in its fullest form.
 
atpollard

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JonC said:
I am saying the Kingdom is here, right now, for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

I am not saying there is no need for the second coming of Christ or that the Kingdom is here in its fullest form.
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Hooray! Another Baptist “already and not yet”.
  • The Kingdom of God came to Earth 2000 years ago when God became incarnate and poured out the Holy Spirit to indwell a people for Himself.
  • The Kingdom of God is here right now as the Body of Christ moves across the face of the Earth accomplishing the work that the Father prepared in advance for each of us.
  • The Kingdom of God is yet to come, when Christ returns and we are glorified and everything is made new ... forever and ever ... in His presence. Amen.
 
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