Hobie
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A question the churches of the Reformation have to ask themselves, is Rome seen as the "voice" of the Christian world. Unfortunately, that's becoming what the churches of the Reformation are allowing through ecumenism, as because most Christians have no idea about what Rome states or declares.
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Holy See Insists That It Has Right to Speak
Says It Participates in International Community as Guardian of Man
ROME, NOV. 28, 2007 (Zenit.org).- The human being has dignity and a transcendent dimension, and this is why an independent moral authority, such as the Holy See, has a role to play in international organizations, says an official at the Vatican Secretariat of State.
Monsignor Pietro Parolin, undersecretary for relations with states, affirmed..."The Catholic Church is the only religious institution that can enter into diplomatic relations and that interests itself in international rights, acting through the Holy See, an international sovereign subject of singular characteristics," Monsignor Parolin said.
He explained that an adequate understanding of the Holy See, as such, requires two distinctions. First, one must bear in mind that the Holy See cannot simply be identified with the Church, as a community of believers. And second, it cannot be identified with Vatican City State, a geographical place that assures the freedom of the Roman Pontiff. 'The Holy See is the Holy Father himself inasmuch as he is an independent, universal, spiritual authority, together with the organizations of the Roman Curia that collaborate with his mission,' ............
The principles of the ecumenical movement were spelled out at Vatican II and it was asserted that the main aim of the entire ecumenical effort was to bring about the recognition of the supremacy of the bishop of Rome. In order for churches to unite, all churches must recognize the primacy of the papal See. Pope John Paul II, in September 1995, issued a similar statement in which he claimed that recognition of the primacy of the pope is essential for church unity. The headline of the article in the Catholic newspaper, Southern Cross, September 17, 1995, read:
"For unity all churches must accept papal authority.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church also states:
Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time. Article 820
The final object of ecumenism, as Catholics conceive it, is unity in Faith, worship, and the acknowledgement of supreme spiritual authority of the Bishop of Rome." Priest J.Cornell
For the Catholic Church, this unity that must be achieved, does not only apply to the separated Reformation Churches, but includes all the people of the world:
In 1975, the growing partnership between Protestantism and Catholicism was demonstrated by the release of a joint common catechism. This 720 page book offers comprehensive statements of the Christian faith and, according to the editors, was written:
"to help ensure that Christians cooperate within their own communities in the common growth of the churches towards that unity in variety, which is the goal of all ecumenical effort."
This document encourages many compromises, and brushes aside basic Biblical precepts with impunity.The churches of the Reformation saw the errors and wrong doctrines and came out of it, yet they seem to be drifting right back to it without anyone at the wheel. Here is from my buddy Amo....
All those who will not continue the Reformation, have nowhere else to go but back to Rome. There will be many more in the near future no doubt. All roads of this world lead to Rome. Only the straight and narrow leads away from it. She is destined, according to biblical prophecy, to once again ride not only the the kings of Europe again, but the kings of all the earth. Anyone paying attention can see her ever expanding influence over the same. Will Durant said it well.
When Christianity conquered Rome the ecclesiastical structure of the pagan church, the title and vestments of the pontifex maximus, the worship of the Great Mother and a multitude of comforting divinities, the sense of supersensible presences everywhere, the joy or solemnity of old festivals, and the pageantry of immemorial ceremony, passed like maternal blood into the new religion, and captive Rome captured her conqueror. The reins and skill of government were handed down by a dying empire to a virile papacy; the lost power of the broken sword was rewon by the magic of the consoling word; the armies of the state were replaced by the missionaries of the Church moving in all directions along the Roman roads; and the revolted provinces, accepting Christianity, again acknowledged the sovereignty of Rome. Through the long struggles of the Age of Faith the authority of the ancient capital persisted and grew, until in the Renaissance the classic culture seemed to rise from the grave, and the immortal city became once more the center of summit of the world's life and wealth and art. When, in 1936, Rome celebrated the 2689th anniversary of her foundation, she could look back upon the most impressive continuity of government and civilization in the history of mankind. May she rise again.(CAESAR AND CHRIST, A history of Roman Civilization and of Christianity from their beginnings to A.D.325. By Will Durant-1944)
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth...
...Rome is Babylon and ecumenism is the snare.
YouTube - Vatican demands for - POPE TO BE KING OF YOUR CONSCIENCE! #1
YouTube - Vatican demands for - POPE TO BE KING OF YOUR CONSCIENCE! #2
Holy See Insists That It Has Right to Speak
Says It Participates in International Community as Guardian of Man
ROME, NOV. 28, 2007 (Zenit.org).- The human being has dignity and a transcendent dimension, and this is why an independent moral authority, such as the Holy See, has a role to play in international organizations, says an official at the Vatican Secretariat of State.
Monsignor Pietro Parolin, undersecretary for relations with states, affirmed..."The Catholic Church is the only religious institution that can enter into diplomatic relations and that interests itself in international rights, acting through the Holy See, an international sovereign subject of singular characteristics," Monsignor Parolin said.
He explained that an adequate understanding of the Holy See, as such, requires two distinctions. First, one must bear in mind that the Holy See cannot simply be identified with the Church, as a community of believers. And second, it cannot be identified with Vatican City State, a geographical place that assures the freedom of the Roman Pontiff. 'The Holy See is the Holy Father himself inasmuch as he is an independent, universal, spiritual authority, together with the organizations of the Roman Curia that collaborate with his mission,' ............
The principles of the ecumenical movement were spelled out at Vatican II and it was asserted that the main aim of the entire ecumenical effort was to bring about the recognition of the supremacy of the bishop of Rome. In order for churches to unite, all churches must recognize the primacy of the papal See. Pope John Paul II, in September 1995, issued a similar statement in which he claimed that recognition of the primacy of the pope is essential for church unity. The headline of the article in the Catholic newspaper, Southern Cross, September 17, 1995, read:
"For unity all churches must accept papal authority.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church also states:
Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time. Article 820
The final object of ecumenism, as Catholics conceive it, is unity in Faith, worship, and the acknowledgement of supreme spiritual authority of the Bishop of Rome." Priest J.Cornell
For the Catholic Church, this unity that must be achieved, does not only apply to the separated Reformation Churches, but includes all the people of the world:
In 1975, the growing partnership between Protestantism and Catholicism was demonstrated by the release of a joint common catechism. This 720 page book offers comprehensive statements of the Christian faith and, according to the editors, was written:
"to help ensure that Christians cooperate within their own communities in the common growth of the churches towards that unity in variety, which is the goal of all ecumenical effort."
This document encourages many compromises, and brushes aside basic Biblical precepts with impunity.The churches of the Reformation saw the errors and wrong doctrines and came out of it, yet they seem to be drifting right back to it without anyone at the wheel. Here is from my buddy Amo....
All those who will not continue the Reformation, have nowhere else to go but back to Rome. There will be many more in the near future no doubt. All roads of this world lead to Rome. Only the straight and narrow leads away from it. She is destined, according to biblical prophecy, to once again ride not only the the kings of Europe again, but the kings of all the earth. Anyone paying attention can see her ever expanding influence over the same. Will Durant said it well.
When Christianity conquered Rome the ecclesiastical structure of the pagan church, the title and vestments of the pontifex maximus, the worship of the Great Mother and a multitude of comforting divinities, the sense of supersensible presences everywhere, the joy or solemnity of old festivals, and the pageantry of immemorial ceremony, passed like maternal blood into the new religion, and captive Rome captured her conqueror. The reins and skill of government were handed down by a dying empire to a virile papacy; the lost power of the broken sword was rewon by the magic of the consoling word; the armies of the state were replaced by the missionaries of the Church moving in all directions along the Roman roads; and the revolted provinces, accepting Christianity, again acknowledged the sovereignty of Rome. Through the long struggles of the Age of Faith the authority of the ancient capital persisted and grew, until in the Renaissance the classic culture seemed to rise from the grave, and the immortal city became once more the center of summit of the world's life and wealth and art. When, in 1936, Rome celebrated the 2689th anniversary of her foundation, she could look back upon the most impressive continuity of government and civilization in the history of mankind. May she rise again.(CAESAR AND CHRIST, A history of Roman Civilization and of Christianity from their beginnings to A.D.325. By Will Durant-1944)
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth...
...Rome is Babylon and ecumenism is the snare.
