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Calvinist are heretics? Then you must be questioning our salvation. Hmmmmmm
Interesting that you chime in now. Why didn't you say something along these lines when Luke2427 called all KJVO's heretics (on the first page of this thread)? Why the double standard? Go ahead and call out Luke2427 or cease from calling me out.
Well...
Do those of us here holding to it:
Deny the trinity/Diety of Christ?
Deny the Cross as atonement?
Deny Bible as infallible/inspired of God?
deny saved by faith alone/grace alone?
deny second Coming/Virgin birth?
ecactly what heretical doctrine do we hold to?
Heresy is a teaching or practice which denies one or more essentials of the Christian faith, divides Christians, and deserves condemnation. The term is derived from the Greek word hairesis, literally meaning a choice, but referring more specifically to a sect, party or disunion. Luke uses the term in Acts to refer to the sects of the Sadducees (5:17), Pharisees (15:5; 26:5), and even the Christians - called Nazarenes and the Way (24:5,14; 28:22). When Paul uses the term in 1 Corinthians and Galatians, he refers to the divisions which cause strife in the church, while Peter links the term to false prophets and teachers.
While there is a temptation for Christians to label whatever is not in keeping with sound doctrine as heresy, the Bible seems to make the distinction that heresy is not merely the opposite of orthodoxy. Rather, heresy is a divisive teaching or practice which forces those who call themselves Christians to separate from it or face condemnation for it. John the Apostle gave a prime example of such a doctrine: denying the true nature of the person and work of Jesus Christ (I John 4:1–3; 2 John 1:7–11).
I totally agree with you on calling out false doctrine. That is why I will continue to proclaim Calvinism as heresy.
But you can't support that fallacious claim. You just make the claim without any support. That's pretty pointless
Here is a good example of an IFB like that which permeates the south here preaching KJVO and claiming that anybody who reads or studies or believes in other versions at all are all LOST. Check it out at about the 4 min. and 35 sec. mark.
That's heresy. Plain and simple.
Most KJVO folk do not believe that it has anything to do with salvation.
I think that is patently false.
Do you have any proof for that claim?
I'm not KJVO, but if forced to make a choice, I prefer it to Calvinism.
1 John 5:7 KJV "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." NIV "For there are three that testify:" NIV leaves out the last 15 words of the verse, and skips to v.8, leaving out the first part of it also, and mentioning the three witnesses on earth without saying where these witnesses are, and mentioning none in heaven. This is an attack on the Trinity, a key doctrine for the true Christian. Most cultic religions reject this doctrine. 1 John 5:8 KJV "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." NIV "the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement." When you put the two verses together the totality of the NIV is: 1John 5:7 - 1John 5:8 "For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement." That is not similar in meaning in any way to the original. All the underlined parts above are left out. This is an abomination.
If you are not going to show your textual investigation that led you to conclude the the NIV is the version that is wrong here, then this post, too, is baseless and pointless.
How do you know the KJV is right and the NIV is wrong?
On what do you base this claim?
Is it just because of some IFB literature you read or sermon you heard or website you perused?
If so, you have nothing.
Could we could get back on topic? This particular forum's rules make clear that the place for Bibles version and C-A discussions is elsewhere.
World Christian Fundamentals Association Doctrinal Statement, 1919 (found in God's Empire: William Bell Riley and Midwestern Fundamentalism):
I. We believe in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments as verbally inspired of God, and inerrant in the original writings, and that they are the supreme and final authority in faith and life.