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Why, you are Calvinist. Why are you going to do in the 1000 years, why all this going to heaven for 7 years, coming back for 1000, when the saved is already chosen before the world began. Why in the world would you hold on to the "elect" and a 1000 year reign but a 7 year rest in heaven before this happens. Man, have you all got it wrong. Then what happens, another kingdom set up in the new earth?1. Then we have John Piper, another Calvinist, who is a Post-Millennialist:"Why am I a post-tribulationist, that is, why do I look forward with great anticipation not to a sudden departure from the world for seven years but to a great gathering to meet the Lord in the air as he comes with his mighty angels in flaming fire to establish his earthly kingdom, giving rest to his people and judgment to his enemies?"
2. Piper rejects the Pre-trib view.
I know you weren't addressing this to me, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Does someone believe they get raptured for a period of years of rest, after which they come back to earth to pick up where they left off, and then stay for 1,000 years? I never head of any of that.Brother Bob said:Why, you are Calvinist. Why are you going to do in the 1000 years, why all this going to heaven for 7 years, coming back for 1000, when the saved is already chosen before the world began. Why in the world would you hold on to the "elect" and a 1000 year reign but a 7 year rest in heaven before this happens. Man, have you all got it wrong.
TCGreek said:1. The Late George E. Ladd of Fuller Theological Seminary, arguably the don of Premillennialsim believed that we are living in the mystery form of the Kingdom.
2. So one can believe in the Kingdom now and still be a Premillennialists.
3. Frankly speaking, that's the position of the Scripture (Matt.13). We are living in the mystery state of the Kingdom.
Brother Bob said:Why, you are Calvinist. Why are you going to do in the 1000 years, why all this going to heaven for 7 years, coming back for 1000, when the saved is already chosen before the world began. Why in the world would you hold on to the "elect" and a 1000 year reign but a 7 year rest in heaven before this happens. Man, have you all got it wrong. Then what happens, another kingdom set up in the new earth?
npetreley said:That's exactly why I would not say the millenium is THE kingdom. I never thought about how I would express it, but "mystery form of the kingdom" sounds good to me.
I think TC; said this is what Piper believed.I know you weren't addressing this to me, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Does someone believe they get raptured for a period of years of rest, after which they come back to earth to pick up where they left off, and then stay for 1,000 years? I never head of any of that.
1. Then we have John Piper, another Calvinist, who is a Post-Millennialist:"Why am I a post-tribulationist, that is, why do I look forward with great anticipation not to a sudden departure from the world for seven years but to a great gathering to meet the Lord in the air as he comes with his mighty angels in flaming fire to establish his earthly kingdom, giving rest to his people and judgment to his enemies?"
2. Piper rejects the Pre-trib view.
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TCGreek said:1. Then we have John Piper, another Calvinist, who is a Post-Millennialist:"Why am I a post-tribulationist......
Brother Bob said:How and by what authority do you call it a "mystery Kingdom". Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you.
One of the writers said we had to change interptation to fit our theology, but it seems to me that the inteptation is being changed big time when it comes to Jesus saying the Kingdom of God is within you.
Tom Butler said:I'm confused. Post-mil and post-trib are not the same thing. Post-trib is a variation of pre-mil. If Piper is post-trib, he can't be post-mili.
I'm guessing this was an innocent typo.
TCGreek said:2. Getting this right is a "Tribulation."
What is that thousand year period that you are "pre" of if it isn't the kingdom?npetreley said:Whoops, count me in. Calvinist. Pre-millenial. I do not believe the 1,000 years is THE kingdom, however. I simply believe there is a future 1,000 years of earthly rule for Christ. I also reject pre-trib, and there is no such thing as the "tribulation period".
FTR, the late George E. Ladd held one form of post-tribulational, pre-milleniallism, as well.TCGreek said:1. Piper is Post-Trib and MacArthur is Pre-Trib.
2. Getting this right is a "Tribulation."
TCGreek said:I signed off a long time ago. Matt.13 teaches it.
Rufus_1611 said:What is that thousand year period that you are "pre" of if it isn't the kingdom?