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Are There Amillennialists Among Us?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by TCGreek, Aug 7, 2007.

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  1. Brother Bob

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    Why, you are Calvinist. Why are you going to do in the 1000 years, why all this going to heaven for 7 years, coming back for 1000, when the saved is already chosen before the world began. Why in the world would you hold on to the "elect" and a 1000 year reign but a 7 year rest in heaven before this happens. Man, have you all got it wrong. Then what happens, another kingdom set up in the new earth?
     
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  2. npetreley

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    I know you weren't addressing this to me, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Does someone believe they get raptured for a period of years of rest, after which they come back to earth to pick up where they left off, and then stay for 1,000 years? I never head of any of that.
     
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  3. TCGreek

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    1. The Late George E. Ladd of Fuller Theological Seminary, arguably the don of Premillennialsim believed that we are living in the mystery form of the Kingdom.

    2. So one can believe in the Kingdom now and still be a Premillennialist.

    3. Frankly speaking, that's the position of the Scripture (Matt.13). We are living in the mystery state of the Kingdom.

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  4. npetreley

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    That's exactly why I would not say the millenium is THE kingdom. I never thought about how I would express it, but "mystery form of the kingdom" sounds good to me.
     
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  5. TCGreek

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    1. Bob, all I did was to give you two views of two leading Calvinists who differ about the Millennium, one a Pre-mil and the other a Post-mil.

    2. Both Piper and MacArthur are good friends who just disagree at this point.
     
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  6. TCGreek

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    I signed off a long time ago. Matt.13 teaches it.
     
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  7. Brother Bob

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    I think TC; said this is what Piper believed.

     
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  8. Brother Bob

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    How and by what authority do you call it a "mystery Kingdom". Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you.
    One of the writers said we had to change interptation to fit our theology, but it seems to me that the inteptation is being changed big time when it comes to Jesus saying the Kingdom of God is within you.
     
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  9. Tom Butler

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    I'm confused. Post-mil and post-trib are not the same thing. Post-trib is a variation of pre-mil. If Piper is post-trib, he can't be post-mili.

    I'm guessing this was an innocent typo.
     
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  10. TCGreek

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    When you get some time, study Matt 13 and let me know what you come up with.
     
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  11. Charles Meadows

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    I am also an amillenialist.
     
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  12. TCGreek

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    I'm sorry about that.
     
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  13. Brother Bob

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    :sleeping_2: Well, have a good nite regardless, I enjoy you all.

    We might go around and around, but it builds respect.

    nite :sleeping_2:
     
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  14. TCGreek

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    1. Piper is Post-Trib and MacArthur is Pre-Trib.

    2. Getting this right is a "Tribulation."
     
    #34 TCGreek, Aug 7, 2007
  15. npetreley

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    Yikes! Does this mean we got "left behind"?
     
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    What is that thousand year period that you are "pre" of if it isn't the kingdom?
     
    #36 Rufus_1611, Aug 7, 2007
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    FTR, the late George E. Ladd held one form of post-tribulational, pre-milleniallism, as well.

    Ed
     
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  18. convicted1

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    RE: Are there any Amillienialists among us?

    TC, I read some of Matthew 13, and the only thing I read that really has to do with the end times is in 49 and 50. I believe this is fulfiling the sciptures where Jesus will come with 10,000 of His saints and deliver judgment/justice to us all. The ones that died lost, or were/are lost when He comes in the Cloud, are the ones that will be cast in the lake of fire, as referred to in Matt 13:50. This is my two mites on the subject. May God bless.

    Willis

    Edited: I am also amill, too.
     
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  19. lbaker

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    I'm somewhere around the amil and/or partial preterist point on the scale. I would really like to be able to be pre-mil as it would make life simpler, but just can't get there scripturally.

    Les
     
    #39 lbaker, Aug 8, 2007
  20. npetreley

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    It's pre-millennial. So it's pre-the-millennium. It's not pre-kingdom.
     
    #40 npetreley, Aug 8, 2007
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