Are There Any Catholics On This Forum?

[John Yurich]

I consider myself the world's foremost theologian. Unfortunately, I'm the only one aboard this train.

What I mean is that an affirmation of many basic Catholic doctrines are denials of Baptist doctrine (and sometimes Scripture itself). As an example, the most basic Catholic doctrine of the church is a denial of Baptist doctrine.

I only accept the scriptural Catholic doctrines

You just need to be a Baptist, as the RCC sees you as not being a Catholic based upon your state beliefs!

Well considering that my priest and nobody else in authority in the Catholic Church is cognizant of my beliefs(as my beliefs are no business of my priest or anybody else in authority in the Catholic Church) then I will continue to be considered a Catholic. I have no intention of just being Baptist. I will continue to attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches. And thus I am both Catholic and Baptist.

 

[John Yurich]

What do you mean by the term "accept Jesus?"

My Baptist Pastor uses the term accept Jesus as Savior and Lord like all Baptist Pastors do to denote that one gave ones life to Christ and trust entirely in Him alone for salvation.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I think a prayerful consideration of Leviticus 19:19 and its spiritual applications might be in order.

 

[John Yurich]

I think a prayerful consideration of Leviticus 19:19 and its spiritual applications might be in order.

Isn't is good enough that I attend a Baptist Church on Sunday mornings without ceasing attending the Catholic Church on Saturday Vigil Mass? At that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings there is a married couple who attend and are members of both the Catholic and that Baptist Church just like I am.

 

[MennoSota]

My Baptist Pastor uses the term accept Jesus as Savior and Lord like all Baptist Pastors do to denote that one gave ones life to Christ and trust entirely in Him alone for salvation.

What does this mean?

I have the visual that it is as if you are looking at a download agreement on the Internet and you can either click the accept button or the decline button.

 

[John Yurich]

What does this mean?

I have the visual that it is as if you are looking at a download agreement on the Internet and you can either click the accept button or the decline button.

That is the Baptist doctrine of salvation I learned from watching Billy Graham Crusades on Television when I was growing up. The phrase accept Jesus as Savior and Lord denotes that one gives their life to Christ by praying to Him and asking Him to come into their life and become their Savior and Lord and to put ones trust entirely in Him alone for salvation.

 

[MennoSota]

That is the Baptist doctrine of salvation I learned from watching Billy Graham Crusades on Television when I was growing up. The phrase accept Jesus as Savior and Lord denotes that one gives their life to Christ by praying to Him and asking Him to come into their life and become their Savior and Lord and to put ones trust entirely in Him alone for salvation.

Understood. What biblical text confirms this process?

 

[John Yurich]

Understood. What biblical text confirms this process?

Romans 10:9 is the biblical text that confirms that process that I was taught by listening to Graham and other Baptist ministers.

 

[steaver]

That is the Baptist doctrine of salvation I learned from watching Billy Graham Crusades on Television when I was growing up. The phrase accept Jesus as Savior and Lord denotes that one gives their life to Christ by praying to Him and asking Him to come into their life and become their Savior and Lord and to put ones trust entirely in Him alone for salvation.

You are spot on John. Don't let Menno throw you off on his Calvinist theology. Hey Menno, if you don't know where this concept is found in the bible, keep digging and pray Jesus to show you the Light!

 

[JonC]

I only accept the scriptural Catholic doctrines

Well considering that my priest and nobody else in authority in the Catholic Church is cognizant of my beliefs(as my beliefs are no business of my priest or anybody else in authority in the Catholic Church) then I will continue to be considered a Catholic. I have no intention of just being Baptist. I will continue to attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches. And thus I am both Catholic and Baptist.

I understand what you are saying. The point I was trying to make is that "Baptist" refers to a few distinctives within a broader Christian faith. Some include more, but at a minimum we have a belief in the local church as a "free" and autonomous church (a rejection of the RCC system of church government), a belief in baptism by immersion (a rejection of sprinkling), the "priesthood" of the believer (a rejection of the RCC priesthood), and the supreme authority of Scripture (a rejection of the RCC doctrine of the authority of the RCC over Scripture).

If you reject the Catholic church as being a legitimate church, its authority, its baptism, its pope, and its priesthood and embrace the Baptist posistion on those points, then I agree you ate Baptist. The Catholic part is up to them, but unless they have changed you can't reject those Catholic doctrines and remain in good standing with the RCC.

 

[MennoSota]

Romans 10:9 is the biblical text that confirms that process that I was taught by listening to Graham and other Baptist ministers.

Romans 10:9-11
[9]If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
[10]For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved.
[11]As the Scriptures tell us, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.”

 

[steaver]

Romans 10:9 is the biblical text that confirms that process that I was taught by listening to Graham and other Baptist ministers.

Yes, that is a good one that speaks of "calling upon the name of the Lord".

Also here is another one that instructs people to ask...

"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:13)

And here is another passage about asking...

"Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water." (John 4)

 

[John Yurich]

I understand what you are saying. The point I was trying to make is that "Baptist" refers to a few distinctives within a broader Christian faith. Some include more, but at a minimum we have a belief in the local church as a "free" and autonomous church (a rejection of the RCC system of church government), a belief in baptism by immersion (a rejection of sprinkling), the "priesthood" of the believer (a rejection of the RCC priesthood), and the supreme authority of Scripture (a rejection of the RCC doctrine of the authority of the RCC over Scripture).

If you reject the Catholic church as being a legitimate church, its authority, its baptism, its pope, and its priesthood and embrace the Baptist posistion on those points, then I agree you ate Baptist. The Catholic part is up to them, but unless they have changed you can't reject those Catholic doctrines and remain in good standing with the RCC.

If my priest or nobody else in authority in the Catholic Church is cognizant that I do not subscribe to all Catholic doctrines than I am considered to be a Catholic in good standing with the Catholic Church. If I attend a Baptist Church and was Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church than I am a Baptist also.

 

[steaver]

If my priest or nobody else in authority in the Catholic Church is cognizant that I do not subscribe to all Catholic doctrines than I am considered to be a Catholic in good standing with the Catholic Church. If I attend a Baptist Church and was Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church than I am a Baptist also.

But are you not actually being deceitful to your Catholic parish? God sees everything.

 

[John Yurich]

But are you not actually being deceitful to your Catholic parish? God sees everything.

It is not being deceitful to my Catholic parish to not make them cognizant of something that is none of their business to begin with(that I do not subscribe to all Catholic doctrines). My beliefs are none of their business.

 

[steaver]

It is not being deceitful to my Catholic parish to not make them cognizant of something that is none of their business to begin with(that I do not subscribe to all Catholic doctrines). My beliefs are none of their business.

Do you subscribe to their doctrine that one can be saved by loving thy neighbour even if they reject Jesus Christ? That alone would cause me to want to tell them of their error rather than let them continue on as if they are right.

 

[John Yurich]

Do you subscribe to their doctrine that one can be saved by loving thy neighbour even if they reject Jesus Christ? That alone would cause me to want to tell them of their error rather than let them continue on as if they are right.

No I do not subscribe to their doctrine that one can be saved apart from Christ. But my beliefs are no business of my priest. I do not want to cease being Catholic as I like the liturgical worship. I also like the non liturgical worship of the Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings.

 

[steaver]

No I do not subscribe to their doctrine that one can be saved apart from Christ. But my beliefs are no business of my priest. I do not want to cease being Catholic as I like the liturgical worship. I also like the non liturgical worship of the Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings.

Are you saying Catholics do not allow non Catholics to come in and worship with them?

 

[Reynolds]

No, the only thing you have is YOUR interpretation of the Word of God. An interpretation that you yourself got from other dissenters of orthodox teaching. You believe you are correct, but guess what - so do we.

Good grief, in another thread I quoted direct from the catechism about the Catholic teaching on grace and guess what, it is the same as yours. Grace is a free gift, so teaches the Holy Catholic Church, a teaching which corresponds to the Holy Scriptures.

Yep, but then you go on and add to it. Grace, plus this and that and the other.

 

[Reynolds]

No I do not subscribe to their doctrine that one can be saved apart from Christ. But my beliefs are no business of my priest. I do not want to cease being Catholic as I like the liturgical worship. I also like the non liturgical worship of the Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings.

So false doctrine is fine, so long as it is presented on a pleasing manner?