Are There Any Catholics On This Forum?

[Adonia]

What I mean is that Catholic "baptism" does not meet the basic definition of baptism (much less Christian baptism...i.e., a baptism associated with salvation itself). It is more of a dedication (in fact, Baptist churches often dedicate infants and this is sometimes referred to...by others...as a "dry baptism").

Adult baptism as just a dedication is also not "Christian baptism". Baptism (as used in Scripture) is a part of the conversion experience. Symbolic, yes, but not merely so.

And who has determined what the most basic definition of baptism is, you?

If one is baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost a valid baptism has taken place.

Sorry, but you, or your interpretation of the Scriptures regarding baptism is not the determining factor.

 

[steaver]

Sorry, but you, or your interpretation of the Scriptures regarding baptism is not the determining factor.

Correct. Nor the fallible men of the RCC's interpretation. Scripture interprets the Scripture. We need only study the Scripture interpretations given by God's Apostles who got it directly from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Reynolds]

I consider myself a Catholic regardless if I do not subscribe to the false Catholic doctrines because of the fact that I was Baptized Catholic and I attend Mass at the local Catholic parish on Saturday Vigil Mass. I also consider myself a Baptist because of having been Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings.

Doctrine, not getting wet, makes you a Baptist. Make your Baptist beliefs fully known to your Catholic priest and see what happens.

 

[MennoSota]

If my priest or nobody else in authority in the Catholic Church is cognizant that I do not subscribe to all Catholic doctrines than I am considered to be a Catholic in good standing with the Catholic Church. If I attend a Baptist Church and was Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church than I am a Baptist also.

Why do we care about the denomination label? We should care about God's adoption of us.

 

[Reynolds]

Why do we care about the denomination label? We should care about God's adoption of us.

In general, I agree. But Catholic vs. Protestant is not about denomination.

 

[JonC]

And who has determined what the most basic definition of baptism is, you?

If one is baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost a valid baptism has taken place.

Sorry, but you, or your interpretation of the Scriptures regarding baptism is not the determining factor.

Not me, no. Words simply have meaning. If it were me then I'd include a more nuanced definition of baptism and a detailed definition of the ordinances (another doctrine of separation between Catholics and Baptists).

I recommend you learn what words mean before claiming them as labels (or at least before arguing the point).

 

[MennoSota]

In general, I agree. But Catholic vs. Protestant is not about denomination.

Catholic v Baptist is about denomination in the way that John is bringing them up.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Good grief, in another thread I quoted direct from the catechism about the Catholic teaching on grace and guess what, it is the same as yours. Grace is a free gift, so teaches the Holy Catholic Church, a teaching which corresponds to the Holy Scriptures.

The Council of Trent has declared anyone who believes in salvation by grace to be "anathema".

 

[Reynolds]

Catholic v Baptist is about denomination in the way that John is bringing them up.

Its about false religion vs Christianity.

 

[JonC]

Catholic v Baptist is about denomination in the way that John is bringing them up.

Not "Baptist". That distinctive crosses many denominations.

 

[MennoSota]

Not "Baptist". That distinctive crosses many denominations.

Well...Baptist and Roman Catholic just have a vast spectrum of sects under their umbrella. In John Yurich case, it's debominational.

 

[Zenas]

This a question for John Yurich. Do you contribute money equally to both churches?

 

[saved41199]

I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it would take to worship at both a Catholic and a Baptist church. Problem is, what I want to say I can't. I would imagine that if either church's leadership knew what John is doing, they'd tell him to pick one or the other and stop being wishy-washy.

 

[Salty]

I can't imagine the mental gymnastics it would take to worship at both a Catholic and a Baptist church. Problem is, what I want to say I can't. I would imagine that if either church's leadership knew what John is doing, they'd tell him to pick one or the other and stop being wishy-washy.

Back in the 60's the RCC would have forbidden him from attending a non-RCC church and sometimes even for a wedding.

 

[Bro. James]

No, the only thing you have is YOUR interpretation of the Word of God. An interpretation that you yourself got from other dissenters of orthodox teaching. You believe you are correct, but guess what - so do we.

Good grief, in another thread I quoted direct from the catechism about the Catholic teaching on grace and guess what, it is the same as yours. Grace is a free gift, so teaches the Holy Catholic Church, a teaching which corresponds to the Holy Scriptures.

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It is the grace plus, plus, plus, sacraments, plus you name it--just to to get to purgatory. How does one know when they have done enough to gain heaven.

An interesting read: the memoirs of Mother Theresa--from her later years.

The scripture was written so we may know we have eternal life. The catechism does not teach such things. It is an impossible task master--a yoke of bondage.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Reynolds]

Well...Baptist and Roman Catholic just have a vast spectrum of sects under their umbrella. In John Yurich case, it's debominational.

Roman Catholicism is a false religion. This is not Baptists and Methodists bickering over dunking vs pouring.

 

[MennoSota]

Roman Catholicism is a false religion. This is not Baptists and Methodists bickering over dunking vs pouring.

Explain that to John Yurich.

 

[Reynolds]

Explain that to John Yurich.

If he goes to both churches, he should be able to figure it out easily.

 

[Salty]

If he goes to both churches, he should be able to figure it out easily.

That or the Baptist church is not do a great job in teaching doctrine

 

[Adonia]

If my priest or nobody else in authority in the Catholic Church is cognizant that I do not subscribe to all Catholic doctrines than I am considered to be a Catholic in good standing with the Catholic Church. If I attend a Baptist Church and was Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church than I am a Baptist also.

God is cognizant of how you feel about the doctrines of His Holy Church, you cannot fool Him.