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Are those who condone the mass murders of Israel a reproach to the cause of Christ?
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Indeed, a good thought albeit an incomplete one.
Those who claim Christ yet condone the "merciless" killing of anyone is more than just a reproach to Christ. They are weeds destined for the Lake of Fire unless they repent, believe and follow Jesus Christ's Teachings.
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Those who claim Christ yet condone the "merciless" killing of anyone is more than just a reproach to Christ. They are weeds destined for the Lake of Fire unless they repent, believe and follow Jesus Christ's Teachings.
There, now it is fixed.
There is a difference between killing a hardened repeat criminal murderer, for example, and slaughtering millions of innocent children. So when referring to the terrorism and mass murder by Israel of a hundred thousand civilians (or whatever the actual number may be) it is proper to speak about it the way I did.
As believers we should not, IMHO, be happy about war. But we know that wars will continue, and with war civilian deaths. This is heightened when one party of the war utilizes civilian populations. And war is not military vs military. It is war between nations which extend beyond the armed forces of a country.
For example, in WW2 allied bombings killed about 500,000 civilians. An estimated 1 to 2 million German citizens were killed in total.
Many would justify WW2 as necessary (for the same reasons Israel is justified in its war). Others condemn war and would condemn the allies participation in WW2 and Israel's current war.
Most would agree that Israel has the responsibility to protect itself. But few offer any longer term solutions. Until Oct 7 it was basically a tick for tack, but the Palestinian attack was particularly brutal (over 1,200 Israeli citizens killed, others kidnapped, etc.).
So I can certainly understand why Israel is insistent that the Palestinian government has to be destroyed in order to safeguard against future attack.
But given the history of Israel and hostilities of neighboring nations, I do not forsee any lasting peace.
Another element is the US response (which has been absent). A lot of people woukd like the US ti be involved because of the US citizens murdered on Oct 7 by Palestine, the US citizens taken hostages by the Palestinians, and the Palestines murdering the US hostage. Others view this as Israel's war.
For example, in WW2 allied bombings killed about 500,000 civilians. An estimated 1 to 2 million German citizens were killed in total.
Many would justify WW2 as necessary (for the same reasons Israel is justified in its war). Others condemn war and would condemn the allies participation in WW2 and Israel's current war.
Most would agree that Israel has the responsibility to protect itself. But few offer any longer term solutions. Until Oct 7 it was basically a tick for tack, but the Palestinian attack was particularly brutal (over 1,200 Israeli citizens killed, others kidnapped, etc.).
So I can certainly understand why Israel is insistent that the Palestinian government has to be destroyed in order to safeguard against future attack.
But given the history of Israel and hostilities of neighboring nations, I do not forsee any lasting peace.
Another element is the US response (which has been absent). A lot of people woukd like the US ti be involved because of the US citizens murdered on Oct 7 by Palestine, the US citizens taken hostages by the Palestinians, and the Palestines murdering the US hostage. Others view this as Israel's war.
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It's a little over 42,000.
The issue is the Palestinian government uses civilian populations as it's military infrastructure. I am not sure if this is to deter Iarael or to gain support.
Some might call Manson's killing spree a 'war'. In the case of the horrendous crimes committed by Israel, simply saying there will always be wars is not appropriate.
Like Hitler's war on minorities.
You seek to equate WW2 and with an extermination campaign by Israel happening now. In the case of WW2 it was not one nation exterminating enemies, as much as it was a world wide conflict of many nations against each other. Now if there was no war then, and it was just Hitler's snuffing of Jews and other minorities, well, you might have a comparison.
I no longer see that as valid. They have mistreated neighbours and killed them for too long now. Police action is required. They have called killing children and neighbours 'defending' themselves falsely for too long.
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There is only one solution, and that is for Jewish people to wait until God brings them to that land and restores them. He will do that for believing Jews in the end.
No. Look at the number of people killed since 1948 and displaced. The Gazan attack was more of a prison riot than a war.
Since they destroyed Gaza and are working on Lebanon now, and mass murdered children and civilians, who really cares what Israel thinks or says?
The bible foresees Turkey and Iran and Russia and others attacking Israel. I would consider that a police action at this point. It is true that by the time they actually get to Israel, God stops them, but there are likely other reasons for that. I now consider that a police action by any nations there would be righteous.
That is not the issue at all. The issue is children and other people being mass murdered and tortured and starved and deprived medical help and water etc.
Silverhair
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The issue is that you see a terrorist group, Hamas, as the victim. That is foolish. The people of Gaza that are dying are the result of that terrorist group using them as human shields or because they have chosen to be aligned with that terrorist group.
Israel has had to defend themselves numerous times from Islamic terrorists that want to destroy them. The stated policy of those terrorist groups id the death of every Jew. They do not want peace with Israel.
So if you want all the killing to stop then call for the real problem to drop their arms and surrender. Israel is not the aggressor.
Yes, children are often the victims of war. I saw more armless, legless, homeless orphaned children to last a lifetime. That is what happens in war. And it is an evil of this world.
We grieve for the Israeli children and citizens the Palestinians killed, the US citizens the Palestinians killed and kidnapped, and the Palestinian children and citizens killed in Israel's responce to those acts.
No. Manson was not a leader of a nation responding to a Palestinian attack against it's civilian population.
I never said to care about what Israel thinks. Israel is a nation. Nations do not think.
Yes, I am aware that Israel has gone after those who attacked Israel even when they are not in Gaza. I realize Israel killed several terrorists in Lebanon. And I realize civilian casualties occurred.
None of the kingdoms of this world are righteous. I doubt you looking for a police state will result in the peace you expect.
What is happening is nothing new. Israel is attacked. Israel goes to war. Israel makes peace and leaves the area. Israel's enemies regroup. Israel is attacked. Israel goes to war. . . .
I think that Israel as a nation (it's leaders) have realized this cycle only puts Israel at risk. People want a minimal response for an attack. The Palestinians kill 1200 Israeli civilians. Israel fires at a few Palestinian soldiers or fires a couple of misses as a warning for them not to do it again.
The problem, of course, is this never works (and it is something our nation would not do).
The refugees killed were people, not 'Hamas'. The children are innocent. They are not less than animals as some claim. No one cares about Hamas all that much. The issue is the tens of thousands of people killed in hospitals, schools, camps, fleeing, homes etc. Also the barbaric way they are treated such as being arrested without charges or real reasons, deprived of basic necessities, lied to etc. Pretending that those of us who have compassion on the innocents are loving 'Hamas' is a lie.
No they are being murdered not by 'hamas' but by Israel. Any talk of human shields is paper thin hypocrisy. If there were 100,000 killed, for example (real number not known) how many of these victims do you think were human shields for anything?
You have lost any right to refer to enemies of Israel as terrorists!
Source?
I don't blame them now. Why would they?
Ridiculous. The prisoners decided to resist oppression and tyranny and occupation, etc.They are probably more popular than ever now. But whatever they are or are not does not matter as far as the genocide goes. At best they are an excuse.
Both of whom die under the bombs of Israel! Not 'in response' to the acts, but using the acts as an excuse would be a better way to say it.
Whatever his excuse was, who cares? Same goes for Israel.
In other words whatever excuses emanate from the mouths of the propaganda meisters of Israel for the mass murders do not matter.
They murdered more civilians to be precise. And not 'several' either!
Only Jesus will bring peace. I expect nothing else. As for police action against murderers, though, we should expect that.
No. The bible says something like 2/3 of Israel will die. That is what is coming. That will be new. The world also is now seeing Israel as a terrorist state. So I am not sure about the 'regrouping' bit. It could be showtime.
Some claim many of those actually were killed by Israel, as is their policy. But whatever number it was, the ones who did it are to be brought to justice. NOT the population in some warped hate fuelled frenzy of murder and torture.
Right, and I doubt anyone thinks that unbelieving Israel has eternal life.
No. Israel's war against the terrorists were a response to the Palestinian murder of 1,200 Israeli civilians to include children and the kidnapping of civilians (to include women and children).
Israel had plenty of opportunities to wage this scale of a war, but the Palestinian attacks were not as severe and evil (the Palestines just shot rockets from apartments).
If Mexico fired rockets into the US several times I seriously doubt we'd simply respond with a minimal strike (as Israel has in the past).
To put this in persoective, suppose Mexico decided to attack the US. The Mexican government sent in soldiers to murder 1,200 American civilians (including women, children, and babies). And Mexico kidnapped 130 US civilians as hostages.
I understand you would take any US retaliation against Mexico as the US using Mexico's actions as an excuse. But the acts themselves would demand war.
It is dishonest to say that Israel used the Palestinian murder of 1,200 civilians and the kidnapping of 130 civilians as an excuse to go to war with Palestine. Palestines' actions themselves justified Israel going to war.
That does not change the horror of war. That does not change that civilians get killed in war.
It has nothing to do with excuses.
Palestine attacked Israel. Palestine murderes 1,200 civilians. Palestine kidnapped 130 civilians.
Israel did not need an excuse to go to war because they had a justifiable reason.
I get that war is bad. But your idea that Israel should simply allow Palestine to committ mass murder of its citizens is a bit silly.
37818
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Israel's general Christian population is about 2%. Of that 2% what percentage profess to know they have eternal life? 1 John 5:9-13.
atpollard
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The irony is that the only thing preventing a Palestinian State living in peace is the Palestinians (who three times have rejected Palestinian Statehood and attacked Jewish Civilians instead). Even now, the Gaza Strip has received enough money from abroad that it should look like the French Riviera, but the Palestinian Government (not Israel) built bunkers and purchased rockets instead. “From the river to the sea” is a call for a Jewish genocide … and it is the official Palestinian position rather than Statehood and Peace.
Hamas COULD release the hostages. They CHOOSE to fire rockets daily at Jewish Civilian settlements. Hamas has EXACTLY the war they want. Dead women and children make good film footage for their Jihad.
Hamas COULD release the hostages. They CHOOSE to fire rockets daily at Jewish Civilian settlements. Hamas has EXACTLY the war they want. Dead women and children make good film footage for their Jihad.
This is the difference between Israel and its enemies.
Israel has continually sought peace. Time and time again the Palestinians have sought genocide. Israel gave up land for the Palestinians, seeking peace. But Israel's enemies cannot be content as long as Israel exists. Even Palestinian "Christians" seek genocide. They even bless terrorists.
This has been going on for a long time. I suspect it will continue.
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