Are we beating a dead horse?

I just heard a sermon from Alistair Begg of Parkside Church, a local popular preacher say something that made me do a "huh"? When quoting John The Baptist, he said "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the worlds".
How is this clearly not adding to the Word of God? What "worlds" could he have been talking about? I love the guy, and listen to him every time I can, but this did not sit right in me.

 

If you think the above Scriptures refer to a man's eternal status, I am sorry to say you have them wrong.
Either Jesus is the only Savior, and He came and did what He came to do, or Jesus AND men are co-Saviors, Jesus the Cross and His blood, and man the gospel and his preaching.

 

Abide

The branch that does not abide in the vine is good for nothing but the fire.

Jesus works through us.

If a farmer kicked back and let God do all the work, He would have no harvast.

We are the hands and feet of God.

No one can believe without a preacher preaching to them. How preciouse is the feet that brings the good news.

Romans 10:15
And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

 

Paul

Romans 11:13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

 

Ha-ha! "Emotional deck??" Friend, is it fate or is it free will?? I vote for your latter construct -- as I'm sure God would.

skypair

 

Calvinists also witness and hope that what they do will somehow be instrumental in the salvation of others. Who gets the credit? For it is God who works in us to will and to do according to His good purpose. Soli Deo Gloria.

 

It bears saying again on this page.

Darryl -- nice article but 1) the lost must be reached (and only are) with the real gospel (1Cor 15:1-3), not with the gospel according to Calvin. And 2) God is not pleased to have us sit idley by waiting for Him to act. He has given us a commission and it is WE that must go! God's plan is about free will -- not fate!

skypair

 

Sorry -- does not compute.

You're saying that because a man believes, that he saved himself?? You know, there's an element of truth in that. Because I believed, I put my flesh on His cross with Him -- I was dead and buried with Him -- I live a resurrected life, literally! I have a new "glorified body" -- "terrestrially" glorified, that is. I am the "image" of Christ in the world and so is EVERY BELIEVER!!

Have YOU been baptized into Christ??

skypair

 

Since our wages of our sin is death, believing in Jesus in what He has done for us brings glory to God alone.

If our wages for our sin was belief, then all glory to man, but it isn't it is death so all glory goes to God alone.

We are saved by grace through faith. God is just handing us our faith through His word, all we have to do is accept it.

Who glorifies Himself for accepting a free gift, we glorify the giver and the maker of it.

By accepted something we can't say look at what my hands have made.

 

No, that's not at all what I'm saying.
I'm saying that either Jesus alone saves, or Jesus and the gospel preacher saves.
So, which is it to you ?
Read my post again.

 

Gospel

Gospel= good news.

The Gospel introduces the Saviour.

How can they believe without some1 preaching to them?

Gospel preached Jesus saves.

 

Oh. Well, my late pastor used to say that NT salvation was passed by "infection" -- like a cold, one person to another. But the pastor, for instance, is just the "carrier." He carried the "bug" just like all Christians do.

And when we do pass it on, we are really just the body of Christ -- so it is still Christ that saves.

skypair

 

No, but we can say, "I chose rightly, and that person over there did not. Glory be to me for making the right decision vs. that other person."

Or, as Spurgeon put it...

 

The reverse of which, I'm afraid, is false modesty and humility which I grant you --- Calvinists have that in abundance!

Have you considered what Christ said about Sardis lately. "You have a name that liveth but art dead." Sardis IS the architypical Reform/Calvinist church. They DO have the name of Jesus, but since they refuse to "receive" Him (on account they can have no part in their own salvation), they are still as "dead" as the man who does nothing and continues in his natural state.

skypair

 

Believing in Jesus has nothing to do with man's dicision, but God's discision to save believers. It is because God discided to save believers that we are saved.

If any man say's it is what I have done that saved me, they are a liar and the truth is not in them. The cost for our salvation is death.

 

If any man says, "It was I who made the decision", or even "It is I who chose to believe", then he is saying that he is the hinge and turning point of his own salvation. He can say that he didn't make the way, Jesus did. But he is saying that he wouldn't be saved except for his own action.

 

It is God's action on the croos, if it was man's action that saved Him then He would be on the cross and not Jesus. You are trying to make belief the work for our salvation but it is not.

It is God who makes the rules, we are not depending on us at all, but on God's word. We are saved by grace through faith. Our salvation hinges on God and His word.

 

This is a strawman, and NOT what 99.999% of non calvinists think or believe. I think you know that, but it makes your positon look oh so humble...

 

Then why don't you explain what you believe instead of the rolling of the eyes. That might be helpful webdog.

 

OK. I don't believe what Npetreley stated