Are we living under the New Covenant??

So, God does not do the revealing to man, its the other way around. I have heard this before. "I learned something New!!"
I doubt it. Don't you know all these "google" checks you make were put there by some man or young boy??

You and I use Strong's, many others will not, so what does that prove?? Or disprove??
Do you think some have progressed to women preachers, gay preachers, dying in sin as when He comes when you think not?? Is this part of the revelation? Yea, we come a long way alright. M. E. ??

BBob,

 

Addressed to the Emperor Titus Ælius Adrianus Antoninus Pius Augustus Caesar,

Is that not what I posted, so instead of saying it was true, you give me the same statement I made.

I see your source is a very young man, who published his history in 2001. I suppose he got his information the same place we get ours. Wonder if he spoke with Phillip Schaff??

(Philip Schaff(1877)
"Though millenialism was supressed by the early church, it was nevertheless from time to time revived by heretical sects." (Schaff's History, pg. 299 )

Yea, I got it Ed, were you able to absorb the whole thing or just the part you like??? Did you get this part??

BBob,

 

Ed; if this is true by Justin, then those who say that Premilleniumism prevailed without question, the first 3 centuries is not true is it.

BBob,

 

Gal 1:12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

We do learn, and education is great. We need all we can get. I wish I had of taken more in my life time except engineering college courses.

agree

Not poking fun, I mean every word of it, I am strongly against it.

BBob,

 

I didn't say you did, but many others have.

I still hold that it was not widely taught, until Darby and a couple before him, followed by D L Moody. BTW, they were called heretics.

Now you are just reading one side when I said that I was Arminian, then restated, not on all issues.
As a matter of fact, in the 1800's we were Calvinist.

BBob,

 

I don't see any of you posting the other position of the MK history, other than what you believe. If I am making a mistake, so are those on your side of the issue. At least you admit there are two sides.

Except to your credit TC;, you did acknowledge that there were two beliefs on the MK in the beginning and some were looking for sensual desires and fleshly lusts.

Skypair, says its his way only. I think he believes he was there!!! He sticks his head in the sand when it comes to early history of the Christians.

BBob,

 

At least Justin was Godly enough to say many "good" christians, did not believe in a literal Kingdom of a 1000 years, in 150 AD.

Man, I am glad I have learned all I have about Israel and the MK, if I had of listened to you and others only, I would never of known that in the beginning of the doctrine of MK, they were looking for sensual desires and fleshly fulfillments.

I also am not like you and say the nation of Israel was cut off, when the scripture says only branches were cut off. Some of the scriptures speak of some of them were cutoff.
I certainly believe the scripture over you that the Lord said He would make a new covenant with the house of Israel and house of Judah. He said it, I believe it.
You are like the Jews, standing around still looking for the Messiah to come. He came by them and you and you never even noticed.

BBob,

 

Amos 9:
9: For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
10: All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
11: In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

It was just the fulfilling of the prophecies!!

 

I go with the camp of:

John Calvin

John Wesley

John Whitefield

Westminster Confession of faith

and many others.

 

I take the fullness of the Gentiles to be when God sifts the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve

Act 28:28Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.

Why do you believe it is when the very last gentile is saved???

BBob,

 

C.H. Spurgeon (1865)
"Those who wish to see the arguments upon the unpopular side of the great question at issue, will find them here; this is probably one of the ablest of the accessible treatises from that point of view. We cannot agree with Mr. Young, neither can we refute him. It might tax the ingenuity of the ablest prophetical writers to solve all the difficulties here started, and perhaps it would be unprofitable to attempt the task. . . (review of Short Arguments about the Millennium; or plain proofs for plain Christians that the coming of Christ will not be pre-millennial; that his reign will not be personal, B. C. Young. In The Sword and Trowel 1:470 (October 1867).

Seems to be an honest man and not hardheaded as some on here, and not you TC;

John Calvin on the other hand;
John Calvin(1536)
"But a little later there followed the chiliasts, who limited the reign of Christ to a thousand years. Now their fiction is too childish either to need or to be worth a refutation. And the Apocalypse, from which they undoubtedly drew a pretext for their error does not support them. For the number "one thousand" (Rev. 20:4) does not apply to the eternal blessedness of the church but only to the various disturbances that awaited the church, while still toiling on earth."
"For when we apply to it the measure of our own understanding, what can we conceive that is not gross and earthly? So it happens that like beasts our senses attract us to what appeals to our flesh, and we grasp at what is at hand. So we see that the Chialists (i.e. those who believed that Christ would reign on earth for a thousand years) fell into a like error. Jesus intended to banish from the disciples' minds a false impression regarding the earthly kingdom: for that, as He points out in a few words, consists of the preaching of the Gospel. They have no cause therefore to dream of wealth, luxury, power in the world or any other earthly thing when they hear that Christ is reigning when He subdues the world to Himself by the preaching of the Gospel. It follows from this that His reign is spiritual and not after the pattern of this world." - Comm. on Acts 1:8 (Torrance, VI, 32).

Yea, got two different subjects and went with wrong one. Spurgeon, believed you had to turn from sin.

BBob,

Spurgeon
This one is from Spurgeon's sermons, Volume II.
Turn Or Burn

I.In the first place, my hearers, let me endeavor to explain to you the nature of the turning here meant.....

Ah! My hearer, it is not thy promise of repentance that can save thee; it is not thy vow, it is not thy solemn declaration, it is not the tear that is dried more easily than the dew-drop by the sun; it is not the transient emotion of the heart, which constitues a real turning to God. There must be a true and actual abandonment of sin, and a turning unto righteousness in real act and deed in every day life. Do you say you are sorry, and repent, and yet go on from day to day, just as you always went? Will you now boy your heads, and say, "Lord, I Repent," and in a little while

As a matter of fact, the only one for sure as of now on that list is John Calvin, so disregard the list please.