Are windmills killing too many birds?

[church mouse guy]

It is strange that a liberal organization would even bother to file against the feds over this issue. I think that liberals have done the math and the cost effectiveness of producing electricity this way is some negative number, so they are talking about some sort of Silent Spring from wind power apparently. The lawsuit is probably just a public relations stunt to get more donations. All of this green stuff is dependent upon federal subsidies forever. But I did not know until today that the number of birds killed by turbines is negligible compared to other man-made causes.

Michael Reagan says:

But power–generating wind turbines are different by several orders of magnitude. These monsters can equal the height of a 30–story building and the span from blade tip to blade tip is as wide as the wingspan of a jet airplane.

Standing on the ground, blades appear to move majestically, but the end of the blades can reach speeds that approach 170 miles per hour, creating a wind whirlpool that sucks birds into the blade’s unforgiving maw.

http://www.newsmax.com/Reagan/Windmills-wind-solar-obama/2013/11/26/id/538744#ixzz31BI8d1Lp

Also, Duke Energy, my electric company, according to Michael Reagan, had to pay $1,000,000 for killing eagles accidently. Yet wind turbines are getting a 30-year permit that Duke Energy is not being offered.

 

[kyredneck]

I don't have to watch anything.....I got friends who are in that industry

Have any of them discussed Gen 4 technology and the boom to come from it?

Bill Gates describes 4th generation nuclear energy to explain his investment decision

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Have any of them discussed Gen 4 technology and the boom to come from it?

Bill Gates describes 4th generation nuclear energy to explain his investment decision

If I was a USA enemy, I would consider Nuclear plants as a potential missile target. If you are good enough to hit the reactors!!!!!

 

[kyredneck]

Regardless, all things considered, it's inevitable that we will go the nuclear route. It's going to happen. The benefits far outweigh the risks.

There's a whoooole lot of 'myths' that have been promulgated by the anti-nuke folks over the past few decades that have now been debunked.

Nuclear is good. Mankind needs it. It's a gift from God. Let's use it.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Regardless, all things considered, it's inevitable that we will go the nuclear route. It's going to happen. The benefits far outweigh the risks.

There's a whoooole lot of 'myths' that have been promulgated by the anti-nuke folks over the past few decades that have now been debunked.

Nuclear is good. Mankind needs it. It's a gift from God. Let's use it.

Your post skirts the issue of potential risk in favor of forced compliance.....here I must part company with you. It is critical that we weigh each issue prior to implementation.

 

[kyredneck]

Your post skirts the issue of potential risk in favor of forced compliance.....here I must part company with you. It is critical that we weigh each issue prior to implementation.

You lost me.

Necessity is the driving force here, not forced compliance. It is becoming BLATANTLY OBVIOUS to even the most staunch opponents, with the technology we now have nuclear is the way to go. Lots of funding now going into Gen 4 research.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You lost me.

Necessity is the driving force here, not forced compliance. It is becoming BLATANTLY OBVIOUS to even the most staunch opponents, with the technology we now have nuclear is the way to go. Lots of funding now going into Gen 4 research.

Pray tell....who is funding this?

 

[kyredneck]

??? Folks like Bill Gates.

...and don't bother, I'll do it for you:

u.s. funding gen 4 research

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

??? Folks like Bill Gates.

...and don't bother, I'll do it for you:

u.s. funding gen 4 research

Thanks.....I am a skeptic. I have worked with some of the best design engineers (in NYC) who specialize in this & Ive been hearing about Gen 4 reactors for about 20 years now. The latest is now that most of these designs are generally not expected to be available for commercial construction before 2030. so now we tack on another 16 years. Larry, do you even know how far behind we are in the USA in updating our electrical grid? That grid is ancient & nobody has a lick of concern to rebuild it.

And most of what we still are operating on in telecommunications is copper when fiber-optics is far superior.....so I remain skeptical. Ya aint gonna get anything accomplished with BO cept for windmills & solar panels (anybody who knows anything about that market/technology knows its a joke)

 

[kyredneck]

Thanks.....I am a skeptic. I have worked with some of the best design engineers (in NYC) who specialize in this & Ive been hearing about Gen 4 reactors for about 20 years now.The latest is now that most of these designs are generally not expected to be available for commercial construction before 2030so now we tack on another 16 years.

Wrong. Bill Gates is expecting to begin getting a return on his money by 2022.

Larry, do you even know how far behind we are in the USA in updating our electrical grid? That grid is ancient & nobody has a lick of concern to rebuild it.

Again, necessity will be the driving force to updating it.

And most of what we still are operating on in telecommunications is copper when fiber-optics is far superior.....so I remain skeptical.

Fiber optics will not conduct high pressure electron flow. But who knows how close we are to developing an economically viable superconductor that will revolutionize everything.

Ya aint gonna get anything accomplished with BO cept for windmills & solar panels (anybody who knows anything about that market/technology knows its a joke)

Not so:

Obama Budget Increases Funding for Energy Research and Nuclear Power

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Wrong. Bill Gates is expecting to begin getting a return on his money by 2022.

Yea.....OK!

Fiber optics will not conduct high pressure electron flow. But who knows how close we are to developing an economically viable superconductor that will revolutionize everything.

Fiber is used as electrical backbone in commercial & industrial buildings. I'm not suggesting its use for end to end.....but I have seen the plans for superconductors. Honestly its a question of economics more than technology. The tech is there if we want it & open the checkbook. Where is Bill Gates in that initiative? Isn't that his business (kinda)?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Obama Budget Increases Funding for Energy Research and Nuclear Power

That was written before Fukishima, wasn't it ?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That was written before Fukishima, wasn't it ?

Good point.....perhaps we should revisit that little fiasco.

 

[kyredneck]

That was written before Fukishima, wasn't it ?

Good point.....perhaps we should revisit that little fiasco.

Man, such negativity. Watch the documentary 'Pandora's Promise'. Fukushima is just a glitch, it will never stop this new nuclear age that is dawning upon us, if for no other reason everyone in the know realizes that catastrophe could not have happened if it were one of the new passive safe (failsafe) Gen 4 designs. IOW, in the big picture, Fukushima will serve to FURTHER the cause of the new Gen 4s, not hinder it.

 

[kyredneck]

DENVER, CO, USA, November 13, 2013 – Gen4 Energy, Inc. has formally been notified that its team has been awarded a two year grant from Department of Energy to conduct research and develop natural circulation designs for advanced nuclear reactors that utilize a lead bismuth coolant.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

DENVER, CO, USA, November 13, 2013 – Gen4 Energy, Inc. has formally been notified that its team has been awarded a two year grant from Department of Energy to conduct research and develop natural circulation designs for advanced nuclear reactors that utilize a lead bismuth coolant.

OK?!? Why are you getting excited by this? Nothing coming close to implementation will ever happen under Obama.

 

[kyredneck]

Sheesh, I'm so excited I probably won't sleep over eight hours worrying about it tonight.

"Nothing coming close to implementation will ever happen under Obama."

He's funding research for it, he is actually helping to develop the new Gen 4 technology. It's a little early for implementation right now anyway, but not by much. There's already a functioning prototype that demonstrates it's failsafe characteristics in the documentary 'Pandora's Promise'. Obama's not trying to stop this steam roller, he's actually helping it along.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Sheesh, I'm so excited I probably won't sleep over eight hours worrying about it tonight.

"Nothing coming close to implementation will ever happen under Obama."

He's funding research for it, he is actually helping to develop the new Gen 4 technology. It's a little early for implementation right now anyway, but not by much. There's already a functioning prototype that demonstrates it's failsafe characteristics in the documentary 'Pandora's Promise'. Obama's not trying to stop this steam roller, he's actually helping it along.

Yea well......that steam roller (LOL) may just take another 30 years.:laugh:

When I see the grid updated we can talk some more. I'm not saying it wont happen, just don't believe your ambitious timetable.

 

[kyredneck]

It's not my time table, the need is from the push to reduce dependency on fossil fuels. Nuclear power will do that satisfactorily , solar and wind is not feasible for that.

 

[Alcott]

Where's Don Quixote when we need him?