Arrogance of changing Scripture

[John of Japan]

It was Dictionary.com (the first I clicked on a Google search).

Merriam-Webser offers something similar:

Definition of humanism
1a : devotion to the humanities : literary culture
b : the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis onsecular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance
2: devotion to human welfare : humanitarianism

• renowned for his humanism

3: a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values; especially : a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason

Okay, that explains it. I don't consider dictionary.com to be a reliable source.

And reading the definition of humanism, I'm still not a humanist. I don't live my life based on what benefits humans, but on what glorifies God. I love my neighbor not because of value in my neighbor but because God commands it and my neighbor is valuable to Him.

 

[John of Japan]

who pronounced us condemned? who is the judge?

more to the point you were not flesh and blood when condemned, according to Jesus

Really? This thread is getting more and more bizarre.

 

[Yeshua1]

And those are still people on the earth that angels are not tasked with helping. And what about the rest of the passage: fatherless people, those who need justice, etc. Again, these are the things judges are tasked with, not angels.

I see absolutely no connection. What's your point?
It is absolutely false that a human person becomes elohim when they are saved. This is akin to the "manifest sons of god" heresy of the Latter Rain movement, the precurser of the modern Charismatic movement. This doctrine is extremely dangerous.

Are you a Charismatic Baptist, believing the "manifest sons of god" doctrine?
This is exactly the false doctrine of the "manifest sons of god" heresy of the Latter Rain movement: that we are "little gods" running around on earth doing exactly the same things Jesus could do. The Latter Rain heresy was so bad that they were kicked out of the classical Pentecostal groups.

"John 10:34-35, with Psalm 82:6. Those who embrace the 'little gods' doctrine almost universally cite these verses, wrested from their contexts" (Michael Horton, ed., The Agony of Deceit, p. 95).

All becomes clear. You are a Charismatic, aren't you? That's what this whole thread is about, right?

These verses are irrelevant to the discussion.

he appears to be claiming that we were all in heaven before being physical born here on Earth, as some kind of Spiritual beings, the "sons of God", in Job, and so is either holding to Mormonism, or little gods, either way wrong!

 

[loDebar]

"GOD" (Romans 2:2 among others)


Jesus said no such silly thing.
I told you you needed to read that verse in context or you were going to draw silly conclusions.

God said all-judgement was left to the Son

Mat 5:29

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast itfrom thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

 

[Yeshua1]

no, probably more old Rabbi's teaching. The Mormons beieve All must come to earth , but We clearly know only sinners are here

We are all sinners, correct? Were we angels before we cme here, or what?

 

[loDebar]

he appears to be claiming that we were all in heaven before being physical born here on Earth, as some kind of Spiritual beings, the "sons of God", in Job, and so is either holding to Mormonism, or little gods, either way wrong!

not Mormons because they consider being human necessary for all beings to promote those in Heaven. They believe the earth will be better and better until good bough to be join with Heaven. They also believed Jesus is a lessor created being. similisrf to Islam. In reality this universe is a prison for the condemned

 

[Yeshua1]

not Mormons because they consider being human necessary for all beings to promote those in Heaven. They believe the earth will be better and better until good bough to be join with Heaven. They also believed Jesus is a lessor created being. similisrf to Islam. In reality this universe is a prison for the condemned

This universe will one day be glorified, and we will exist in a redeemed Universe, correct?
Is there a real hell then? Or is earth that?

 

[loDebar]

We are all sinners, correct? Were we angels before we cme here, or what?

They were sent here in darkness , before light anyway
Jde 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

They responded to light when being in darkness

Job 38:7

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God (elohyim, again) shouted for joy

 

[atpollard]

God said all-judgement was left to the Son

Mat 5:29

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast itfrom thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 5:27-29

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.​

Since you brought it up ... Have you ever looked at a woman with lust? ... Does your eye cause you to sin? ... Have you plucked it out yet? ... Why not?

PS. The 'FATHER' gave all judgement to the 'SON' ... GOD is 'Father, Son and Spirit' - one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence.

 

[loDebar]

This universe will one day be glorified, and we will exist in a redeemed Universe, correct?
Is there a real hell then? Or is earth that?

? The universe will be destroyed? .... Hell, (place of the dead) andthe lake of fire exists. Hell is overused as eternal punishment but we mean lake of fire

 

[loDebar]

Matthew 5:27-29

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.​

Since you brought it up ... Have you ever looked at a woman with lust? ... Does your eye cause you to sin? ... Have you plucked it out yet? ... Why not?

PS. The 'FATHER' gave all judgement to the 'SON' ... GOD is 'Father, Son and Spirit' - one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence.

The Son says He does not judge flesh and blood. either

The three are divisible, Jesus seems to have full responsibility of the sinners

 

[atpollard]

The Son says He does not judge flesh and blood

So you feel free to lust with impunity?

 

[loDebar]

? The universe will be destroyed? .... Hell, (place of the dead) andthe lake of fire exists. Hell is overused as eternal punishment but we mean lake of fire

Hell is not in the universe, It is a spiritual place. The physical will be destroyed

 

[loDebar]

So you feel free to lust with impunity?

The verse is saying the spirit is more important than the physical, Sin is not physical it is spiritual. Lust is not action of the body but the mind

 

[Yeshua1]

They were sent here in darkness , before light anyway
Jde 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

They responded to light when being in darkness

Job 38:7

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God (elohyim, again) shouted for joy

So all of us were before coming here the fallen angels?

 

[Yeshua1]

Hell is not in the universe, It is a spiritual place. The physical will be destroyed

God Himself creates a new heaven and earth, those are real and physical, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

The verse is saying the spirit is more important than the physical, Sin is not physical it is spiritual. Lust is not action of the body but the mind

God honors the physical though, as jesus came in human flesh, and was raised a physical being, and we all will be like that, correct?

 

[loDebar]

God Himself creates a new heaven and earth, those are real and physical, correct?

i doubt it, the physical creation sole reason for existence is for prison to hold sinners and the redemption of sinners through humanity

 

[loDebar]

God honors the physical though, as jesus came in human flesh, and was raised a physical being, and we all will be like that, correct?

I doubt it, for the same reasons, Jesus did resurrect physically because it was proof to use of truth.

I do not want this body , do I get to change?

 

[atpollard]

The verse is saying the spirit is more important than the physical, Sin is not physical it is spiritual. Lust is not action of the body but the mind

I suspect the patrons and workers in the Gentlemen's Clubs that line the highway would disagree. Sin is both of the body and the mind.

James 1:14-15 NASB

14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin [fn]is accomplished, it brings forth death.​