As a ‘Calvinist’, How did you come to believe?

[37818]

You cannot be justified by the deeds of the Law and not justified by the deeds of the Law at the same time. Otherwise you have a contradiction in Romans. Paul cannot state that we are justified by doing the Law and then say that no one is justified by the deeds of the Law.

I don't think Paul is being theoretical. He is literally stating that the doers of the Law shall be justified. But no one can possibly do the Law. Therefore no one is justified by the deeds of the Law.

Galatians 2:21, ". . . I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. . . ."

 

[AustinC]

Gentiles are not Jews

*Romans 2:28-29*
For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.

 

[DaveXR650]

The question was facetious. Of course, Paul was in his right mind, and he was dead serious (not a theoretical premise) when stating that "the doers of the law shall be justified". Matthew 7:12; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8

He was dead serious (not a theoretical premise) when stating that "to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life"

If you are saying that Paul taught justification by works or by doing the law then you are completely wrong.

 

[Alan Gross]

I have asked for truth and got copy and paste screed.

I asked;

Did you have a testimony of conversion you would like to share?

and now I would like to find someone, ever, that has the testimony of;

Actual conversion is based on God crediting a person's faith as righteous faith

that I can copy and paste.

 

[kyredneck]

If you are saying that Paul taught justification by works or by doing the law then you are completely wrong.

Unable to separate from the herd long enough to connect the dots, eh? Just can't grasp the concept of "in the spirit not in the letter".

12 All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets Mt 7

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2

8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law. Ro 13

8 Howbeit if ye fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: Ja 2

 

[AustinC]

Unable to separate from the herd long enough to connect the dots, eh? Just can't grasp the concept of "in the spirit not in the letter".

12 All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets Mt 7

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2

8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law. Ro 13

8 Howbeit if ye fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: Ja 2

Redneck, I see you are merely cherrypicking verses you imagine support your herd mentality. You quote the Bible like Sliverhair and 37 who rarely care about context. A full study of the Letters would do you well so you could see context instead of cherrypicking a sentence you think supports your ideology.

 

[kyredneck]

You cannot be justified by the deeds of the Law and not justified by the deeds of the Law at the same time.

AMEN!

Otherwise you have a contradiction in Romans.

AMEN!

1. The Scriptures are to be taken in the sense attached to them in the age and by the people to whom they were addressed. (Audience relevance - you're reading other people's mail)

2. Scripture cannot contradict Scripture.

3. The Scriptures are to be interpreted under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which guidance is to be humbly and earnestly sought. - Charles Hodge's three rules of interpretation.

Paul cannot state that we are justified by doing the Law and then say that no one is justified by the deeds of the Law.

But he did do that.

I don't think Paul is being theoretical. He is literally stating that the doers of the Law shall be justified.

AMEN!

But no one can possibly do the Law.

Those Paul are referring to in Romans 2:13 are 'doing the law'. It is their nature to do the law because God has written His law in their hearts just as His prophets had promised He would do centuries before.

Therefore no one is justified by the deeds of the Law.

AMEN! "If there had been a law given which could make alive, verily righteousness would have been of the law." But see if you can grasp this truth Guido, those in Romans 2:13-15 are ALIVE, because God has made them alive, and now it's their nature to do the 'essence' of the law - agape.